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Barana Torana
Australia
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Posts 8
09 May 2009 13:56
| please someone let me know if this ground is covered already,
But with a faster 060, aka the 050, we could afford to have hyperion do a natami port?
indeed the first sse release of os 4 was predominantly 68k, an there is that oft used quote of one of the freidens, that it could b done.
iIt certainly would fix all the little bugs and issues with 3.9. and bring up the code base in line with the rest, enabling more activity. anyway there's my two cents.
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Thomas Clarke
United Kingdom
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Posts 286
09 May 2009 15:29
| barana torana wrote:
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please someone let me know if this ground is covered already,
But with a faster 060, aka the 050, we could afford to have hyperion do a natami port?
indeed the first sse release of os 4 was predominantly 68k, an there is that oft used quote of one of the freidens, that it could b done.
iIt certainly would fix all the little bugs and issues with 3.9. and bring up the code base in line with the rest, enabling more activity. anyway there's my two cents.
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OS4 is PPC only. Early builds may have contained 68k code, but not the current version AFAIK. AROS support is much more likely.
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
09 May 2009 16:35
| To be honest, I believe Hyperion would do anything for the money. This is not bad, it's a company after all.
So, if they have 2.000 units of NatAmi (consumer) sold out there, I believe they would make a port of OS4.1 for it. 2.000x140 euros is about 280.000 euros. They would be stupid not to port it...
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Thomas Clarke
United Kingdom
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Posts 286
09 May 2009 17:48
| @George Mystiloglou
The work to port OS4 to a new architecture just for 2000 potential customers would ruin the return on investment. It's not going to happen, and Hyperion aren't that desperate anyway.
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
09 May 2009 18:26
| They are THAT desperate. Only 1.000 "idiots" happen to deal with hyperion, and those "idiots" is the Amiga market which buys a "wannabe" OS at the same price as Windows or MacOS!
Anyway, the real story is that a profit of 150.000+ euros is capable of keeping alive a 10 person company for about a year. In the economic crisis, I really don't think the have a choice.
Either way, there are many companies out there that want to gain a 150.000+ euro profit from this. Somehow, sooner or later, it is going to happen...
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
09 May 2009 18:26
| I was intending to keep quiet about this, but since the issue has been raised (here comes an "oh no!" moment), since AOS is the most superior of all OSs, and Hyperion Entertainment has the AOS3.0/3.1 source code, we MAY BE BLESSED with a NEW RELEASE of PURE Amiga Operating System godness in the future, fer sure! After all, SOON there will be MORE NATAMIS out there than AmigaOnes, microAmigaOnes, and Sam 440EPs COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And so rises Hyperion Entertainment toward challenging linux, MacOSX and the least impressive failure that is the miserable "vista/eXPerience". I'm still waiting for my Hyperion coded AOS3.95 powered wristwatch!!!! :-DDDDDD (With a 45nm 68050 core running @~180 MHz and 64 Megs in CPU ram!!!! who needs SRAM, baby??!!!! :-DDD) This post is absolutely SERIOUS. I expect to see this available in the future, about 2 years from now.
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
09 May 2009 18:32
| Thank God there is Thierry... :-D
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
09 May 2009 19:03
| Hi George Mystiloglou, :-DDD (Sophisticated)MacHead, "Hey, that's kinda neat, .... that's a wristwatch, it does MP3?" NatAmigan, "yeah, it's actually a 'com-PU-ter', it does MP3, and RC5/OGR as well!" :-DDDDDD
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
09 May 2009 21:32
| George, i agree Thierry has the soul.
I still can't believe he is older then me....
*thinks Thierry is younger then him.
beside i know thierry is lieing, since we'll have a 16nm 68050 in that wristwatch. ;)
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
09 May 2009 21:42
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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and Hyperion Entertainment has the AOS3.0/3.1 source code
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Is this for sure that they have the source of OS 3.1? Does anyone know if they own any rights to this source? Cheers
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Thomas Clarke
United Kingdom
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Posts 286
09 May 2009 22:14
| George Mystiloglou wrote:
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They are THAT desperate. Only 1.000 "idiots" happen to deal with hyperion, and those "idiots" is the Amiga market which buys a "wannabe" OS at the same price as Windows or MacOS!
Anyway, the real story is that a profit of 150.000+ euros is capable of keeping alive a 10 person company for about a year. In the economic crisis, I really don't think the have a choice.
Either way, there are many companies out there that want to gain a 150.000+ euro profit from this. Somehow, sooner or later, it is going to happen...
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George, what have you been smoking? If OS4 isn't ported to x86 due to the large cost of porting to a new architecture, what makes you think an 68k port is inevitable? Think about it, you'll never see a 68k port until AFTER an x86 port (which would be far more popular), and personally I don't think the x86 port is likely either.
It doesn't matter how many copies they could sell if they can't afford to make the port in the first place does it? Sorry to burst your bubble.Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Thierry Atheist wrote:
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and Hyperion Entertainment has the AOS3.0/3.1 source code
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Is this for sure that they have the source of OS 3.1?
Does anyone know if they own any rights to this source?
Cheers
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The legal ownership of OS 3.1 source isn't going to be clear until after the court case is settled, but I do remember reading a comment from a Hyperion developer saying that OS4 no longer contains any code from OS 3.x.
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Jens Drößler
Germany
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Posts 136
10 May 2009 03:38
| Also, if OS3.9 on Kick 3.1 will run on NatAmi, I don't think EVERY NatAmi buyer will go for OS40/4.1. I wouldn't pay 140 bucks, as I'm just happy with OS3.9 or even 3.1 and some freeware extensions.
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
10 May 2009 04:33
| barana torana wrote:
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please someone let me know if this ground is covered already,
But with a faster 060, aka the 050, we could afford to have hyperion do a natami port?
indeed the first sse release of os 4 was predominantly 68k, an there is that oft used quote of one of the freidens, that it could b done.
iIt certainly would fix all the little bugs and issues with 3.9. and bring up the code base in line with the rest, enabling more activity. anyway there's my two cents.
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I brought it up in a thread on Amigans.net and Hans-Jorg Frieden said he would rather do a port to x86 than to 680x0 since there would be more customers. I doubt that they will ever do either.-edit-
I found the old post at http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=22507#forumpost22507 .
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Rob M
United Kingdom
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Posts 29
10 May 2009 06:21
| George Mystiloglou wrote:
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Only 1.000 "idiots" happen to deal with hyperion, and those "idiots" is the Amiga market which buys a "wannabe" OS at the same price as Windows or MacOS!
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I find it curious that you would post such an opinion here.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
10 May 2009 10:37
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Thierry Atheist wrote:
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and Hyperion Entertainment has the AOS3.0/3.1 source code
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Is this for sure that they have the source of OS 3.1?
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Hi Gunnar,Yes they have, for sure, either the AOS3.0 or 3.1 68K source. (Probably both.) Do they have the ROM code? I don't know. Is that compiled just like source code needs to be? Here's a curve ball, Amiga Inc. might have neither!!!! A guy named Rich Woods bought a lot of stuff that was auctioned off to pay rent that went into arrears by Amiga Inc. management (if you can call them that). He might even have a copy of the source code!!! Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Does anyone know if they own any rights to this source?
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That may be even beyond the court case, as it's for certain that "Amiga IP is transferred to Hyperion, should Amiga Inc. go defunct", but as to 3.0/3.1, I am not sure if that was clearly stated in the contract at all. However, they are in possession of it, and since Amiga Inc. was bankrupt (effectively), may not have funding currently, the court case seems to be in limbo, who would come forward to demand it back, anyhow? Many times, in the contract "Amiga IP" was mentioned as going to Hyperion Entertainment and becoming their property. I suppose one could argue that that includes AOS1.x and 2.x (where is THAT code??) and 3.x as well. NatAmi is NOT necessarily orphaned. :-DDDD
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Rob M
United Kingdom
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Posts 29
10 May 2009 19:39
| Olaf Barthel had possession of the tapes containing the 3.1 sources that he cleaned up, this is who Hyperion got it from under the direction of Fleecy Moss.
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Middleton Mike
United Kingdom
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Posts 106
11 May 2009 09:11
| I have to be honest, if I were Hyperion's developers I would probably put my emphasis on a x86 port before the 68k one, as awful as that sounds. OS4.0 has evolved away from the classic Amiga OS, and considering the tools out there to develop for the x86 platform compared with ours, they'd be mad not to. I've always viewed OS 4.0 is one day being a version of Linux that a casual computer user could genuinely use and enjoy and I really think that could happen one day with it. Until the NatAmi project grabbed my attention, that was about the only image I had for the Amiga really - just an OS rather than a platform itself. Of course, that isn't the Amiga's biggest strength. As for an OS for NatAmi, don't forget the architecture of the NatAmi will be hugely different to the boards that OS 4.0 has been designed to run for, which were essentially PPC driven PC boards. Maybe down the line, we'll need an "OS 3.11"? Apologies for the Windows analogy there! I view this as more of an issue for once we've got our NatAmi's sitting in front of us.
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Gabriele Budelacci
Italy
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Posts 111
11 May 2009 09:17
| Hi GeorgeGeorge Mystiloglou wrote:
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Anyway, the real story is that a profit of 150.000+ euros is capable of keeping alive a 10 person company for about a year. In the economic crisis, I really don't think the have a choice.
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10 persons, only 15K euro pro capita??!!
Maybe in Greece, surely not in Italy, neither in Benelux... ;-)
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
11 May 2009 09:29
| @ Gabriele I work for less in a year. ;)
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Channel Z
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Posts 227
11 May 2009 10:05
| @Middleton Mike Well, you could pretty much call AROS an "OS 3.11". If it is properly ported to 68k it will be just like an improved OS 3.x. This is the most likely "modern" operating system to be ported to Natami. It is already catching up on OS 4 feature-wise, and I wouldn't be surprised if it actually surpasses OS 4 in the near future.
Check out Icaros Desktop, and imagine that running all on 68k. Of course classic programs would run from scratch since it is 3.x compatible.
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