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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
11 Jul 2012 16:46
| Vesalia is a better choice. Unlike Amigakit they don't steal your packaging.
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Fabian Nunez
USA
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Posts 312
13 Jul 2012 06:41
| @Thomas Sounds like he needs a Steve to match his inner Woz :)
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
13 Jul 2012 08:54
| People WANT a computer that starts in under 4 seconds.... NatAmi is a NECESSITY!!!!
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Zoltan Z
Hungary
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Posts 5
13 Jul 2012 12:05
| Thierry, a modern computer can work for months without turning it off. And resuming work takes no more than a few second. If you have an Android device it takes only 1 second to wake up your device. Without proper multitasking however, Natami will never be as stable as any modern platform. Even if it boots in seconds, it is not worth the price of losing data because of a GURU. But luckily this is not a problem. Because Natami is a hobby project, something interesting, not a competitor nor an alternative to any of the currently existing platforms.
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Chuck T
USA
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Posts 679
13 Jul 2012 13:15
| Zoltan Z wrote:
| Without proper multitasking however, Natami will never be as stable as any modern platform. Even if it boots in seconds, it is not worth the price of losing data because of a GURU. But luckily this is not a problem. Because Natami is a hobby project, something interesting, not a competitor nor an alternative to any of the currently existing platforms.
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They should have solved this problem long ago. Even Microsoft Word can recover documents when the computer crashes or the power goes out. They need some kind of hardware handler that can save the state or the data on the computer in case of an error.
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
13 Jul 2012 18:05
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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People WANT a computer that starts in under 4 seconds....
NatAmi is a NECESSITY!!!!
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My laptop boots under four seconds. It's not a Natami. It is standard hardware, with Linux and a SSD. Five year old hardware, pimped by a single SSD.Now, why don't you get one if that is all you need?
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
13 Jul 2012 18:07
| Chuck T wrote:
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They should have solved this problem long ago. Even Microsoft Word can recover documents when the computer crashes or the power goes out.
They need some kind of hardware handler that can save the state or the data on the computer in case of an error.
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In the absense of any usable memory protection and resource management, you cannot trust any component of the operating system to be in a state sane enough to write data to the harddisk in such a case. You will just do more damage. The problem is the Os design, not so much the program design.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
13 Jul 2012 20:50
| +1 on both ThoR's comments above.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
14 Jul 2012 01:08
| Why are people trying to talk me out of buying a NatAmi? .... NOT THAT IT'S POSSIBLE, mind you. :-D
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
14 Jul 2012 09:27
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Why are people trying to talk me out of buying a NatAmi? ....
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Nobody is. But there is no reason to be a blind fanboy either, like you are. Fact is, PCs can do all you want today, right out of the box. There is no necessity for an Amiga clone if all you care for is getting your job done - as in booting up in seconds or having a reactive system. In fact, they do a lot more than that. However, when it comes to run Amiga software just to enjoy the old software basis there is, a PC cannot do that reasonably because available emulators leave a lot to be deserved. The Amiga hardware is a bit too complex for a good software emulation right now. It is a hobby, probably a nice toy. But it is certainly not a necessity for anyone. See the difference?
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
14 Jul 2012 10:24
| Thomas Richter wrote:
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However, when it comes to run Amiga software just to enjoy the old software basis there is, a PC cannot do that reasonably because available emulators leave a lot to be deserved. The Amiga hardware is a bit too complex for a good software emulation right now.
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YES Thomas Richter (no offence) a 12 GHz PC CANNOT emulate an Amiga, THAT is the problem. We, I need a NatAmi.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
14 Jul 2012 10:36
| Thierry can you explain to me why that 12GHz system cannot do what i do with a 15 year old machine?
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
14 Jul 2012 12:16
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YES Thomas Richter (no offence) a 12 GHz PC CANNOT emulate an Amiga, THAT is the problem. We, I need a NatAmi.
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There are no 12GHz PCs - I haven't seen one, and it is unlikely we'll have them anytime soon. No, frequency does not multiply by cores - were did you get this nonsense from?The conclusion that it is *needed* because emulation lacks is a bit far-fetched, but I understand that some people consider Natami a nice project for this reason. But that's something different.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania
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Posts 607
14 Jul 2012 12:32
| In order to love Natami , you must love ... Natami ( based on the original Amiga Design Idea ) . You must be an idealist & have a lot of Imagination ... it is a long way to update our beloved little platform , but worth .
I love Amiga since I am a aware of its existence , I love the Natami idea until it will become a reality . In the mean-while , I will abuse my macbook pro retina , which covers at least in practise , not in ideal terms , my most frequent needs , but , I confess , I am a visioneer & an idealist with a steadfast will & fixed intention to bring the best out of each conception .
Amiga Culture that has been & Natami Culture that might be around are both valuable & precious , to be preserved , maintained alive & advanced to meet the state of the Art .
Oo.JRT | Somehow , there is more to it & each than we can babble about .oO
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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
14 Jul 2012 14:00
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Thomas Richter wrote:
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However, when it comes to run Amiga software just to enjoy the old software basis there is, a PC cannot do that reasonably because available emulators leave a lot to be deserved. The Amiga hardware is a bit too complex for a good software emulation right now.
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YES Thomas Richter (no offence) a 12 GHz PC CANNOT emulate an Amiga, THAT is the problem. We, I need a NatAmi.
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You're both totally wrong.
I've never had a problem with the accuracy of WinUAE. In fact it is less buggy than my rev 2B A1200 - no weird problems in doublepal.
This is on a Pentium Dual Core (e5200, core 2 based) system with intergrated graphics and four gigs DDR2 800. I have a computer that was considered mid range four years ago, and WinUAE runs perfectly on it.
So either your computers are set up wrong or they are Pentium IV old.
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
14 Jul 2012 14:36
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I've never had a problem with the accuracy of WinUAE. In fact it is less buggy than my rev 2B A1200 - no weird problems in doublepal.
This is on a Pentium Dual Core (e5200, core 2 based) system with intergrated graphics and four gigs DDR2 800. I have a computer that was considered mid range four years ago, and WinUAE runs perfectly on it.
So either your computers are set up wrong or they are Pentium IV old.
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The problem is not so much the accuracy of emulation, but the rather mixed performance, at least for the Linux UAE. Solely CPU bound tasks are "too fast", but anything concerned with graphics gets pretty quickly sluggish, and is "too slow".This is of course because the principles of the graphics system is so different. Amiga has a bitplane oriented system, PCs are "chunky graphics true color".
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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
15 Jul 2012 03:33
| Thomas Richter wrote:
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Richard Maudsley wrote:
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I've never had a problem with the accuracy of WinUAE. In fact it is less buggy than my rev 2B A1200 - no weird problems in doublepal.
This is on a Pentium Dual Core (e5200, core 2 based) system with intergrated graphics and four gigs DDR2 800. I have a computer that was considered mid range four years ago, and WinUAE runs perfectly on it.
So either your computers are set up wrong or they are Pentium IV old.
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The problem is not so much the accuracy of emulation, but the rather mixed performance, at least for the Linux UAE. Solely CPU bound tasks are "too fast", but anything concerned with graphics gets pretty quickly sluggish, and is "too slow".
This is of course because the principles of the graphics system is so different. Amiga has a bitplane oriented system, PCs are "chunky graphics true color".
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Nothing to do with the difference in hardware at all. Here is the problem:
Thomas Richter wrote:
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All the versions of UAE on linux are either out of date or quick and dirty un-optimized ports from windows, or both. I'm not kidding, UAE on linux is the reason I threw my hands in the air, steamrolled my arch install, and burned another copy of windows. The performance was terrible.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
15 Jul 2012 10:00
| Hey Richard, Can you tell me why, every so often my LEGALLY OWNED windows 7 keeps moving my clock back one hour.... YES I set the time zone correctly.
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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
15 Jul 2012 15:52
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Hey Richard,
Can you tell me why, every so often my LEGALLY OWNED windows 7 keeps moving my clock back one hour.... YES I set the time zone correctly.
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Check you daylight savings setting, also the same in your bios.
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