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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 04 Jul 2012 13:59
| Okay, so, how long are you willing to wait for the NatAmi or secret project S-AGA Amiga to come out? (Mention your limitation on price barrier too, if you aren't shy.) How long will you wait, even post if you've given up waiting. For me, I'll be here an eternity, and would pay a Queen's ransom... really.
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Russell Williams United Kingdom
| | Posts 11 04 Jul 2012 14:44
| Sigh........
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Russell Williams United Kingdom
| | Posts 11 04 Jul 2012 14:56
| I have been checking the site every week for years now, got excited when development boards were released, but since then the progress is so slow, that dare I say it.... that by the time it comes out a lot of potential customers will have given up checking the site. I will keep coming back as I am such a huge Amiga fan and always have been that any flicker of hope I will hold onto. I think the more sensible option would have been to release the board by now and bring out software updates and hardware addons if needed. I totally understand that people constantly going on and asking for time scales etc... must have got very annoying but the reason it got to that stage is nobody was updating the site with any progress reports, so it kind of became a perpetual cycle. I must admit I am a little disheartened now especially because we are now totally in the dark. The problem is the spec was good for when it was looking like close to release but if much more time passes it is going to be old before its time. I am very very happy that it is designed to run all the original software but I was so excited about new amiga software for the first time in years, excited about someone making a proper amiga enclosure for it. The Amiga has meant a lot to me over the years and I will be very sad if this project never sees the light of day. Still Waiting Hopefully Russell p.s Money was never the issue, it would of have been worth it (within reason of course!)
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3991 04 Jul 2012 19:48
| If it takes too long i think most of my budget would be in a from TTL IC's build OCS/ECS system. So money is not the issue, but which would be finished sooner. ;)
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Michael Evans Canada
| | Posts 44 04 Jul 2012 23:40
| Waiting "until the cows come home"? I waited and waited for those damn cows, but they never came home. I bet they had a night on the town, partied with a few cheap heifers before catching a flight to Argentina. I've waited so long that now I don't care if those cows ever come home. I got me some goats as replacement - smaller, faster, more convenient. Sure, not as great as cows... but you can't wait forever.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko Espania
| | Posts 607 05 Jul 2012 09:56
| § Take the money you would have invested already last year & the year before , and multiply it , then take part of the multiplied money to make small improvements , create bounties to better the entire environment of this platform , be now an active part , do not wait . Live Your passion with the greatest enthusiasm , grow & extend all Yours to the fullest ! Oo.JRT
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Evil Igel Germany
| | Posts 154 05 Jul 2012 10:38
| When i first read about Natami two years ago i was more than just excited, (one of) my moistest dreams seems to be come true! :-D i checked this homepage serval times in a week, often daily. i told my friends about it, share links, pictures and news (sometimes i was maybe pretty anoiyng with that :-P) and i was alwas sure that the Natami-Project is an outstanding attempt, a serious, new dawn of 68k-Amiga-Fun and nothing less than maybe a new beginning for a platform that was meant to be dead! AND, most of all, i was sure, that THIS project was based on proper and clear plannings, with certain goals that for sure would take a lot lot lot of time to come reality, but IT WOULD (not like so many other projects before)!! BUT since a few months things turns to dust it seems. Something will sometime maybe ready for something... Thats for sure actually. Is there a N68050 or Apollo or both? Is Apollo really scratched? What is the MD board for real, will there be a MX-follower, mabye Natami? What are the plans, if there any certain!? Silence and confusion are ruling this place, and i thing about a Minimig or something to replace my good old Amiga some day... Is there a Minimig with AGA-support planned already btw? The FPGA Arcade seems to be a everything-"emulating"-box. I will continue to check this homepage and hoping for news. Dont let this awesome Project and everything you gained till today become nothing more than a good idea with maybe some succes in the embedded-marked...!
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Ray Couzens United Kingdom
| | Posts 22 05 Jul 2012 11:37
| I think we must all feel disapointment to a degree because there seemed to be so much momentum on the Natami project with lively discussions on a daily basis. Talk about features, future plans etc. It seemed the way ahead was mapped out, and we were in on the progress. Cetainly, many discussions were premature, but with so much excitement compared to now, when we hardly get any feedback is quite hard to adjust to. If this were a commercial adventure then it would probably have already lost many potential customers and its outlook would be grim. Thankfully it is not, I still believe that this project is not motivated by money but by perfectionism. Lets face it, the Natami is a niche market, but it could catch on. So, if it is niche then why not make it the best. If the developers are not bothered about sales figures then they can spend as long as they want before releasing. Thierry's question is a good one. I know I have been wanting an Amiga again for ages, particularly interested in the Natami, and have been hanging on until recently when all went quiet, and opted for a an old but real Amiga. I only occasionally visit this site whereas before it was on a daily basis. I am disapointed that the Natami team have gone so quiet, but still have optimism albeit deflated, that the Natami will be completed. At the moment I doubt I have enough money to purchase a Natami. It's difficult to know what the price would be. If it were £400 then definitely could not afford one at the moment. I also think this price would put many potential buyers off. However, in a years time perhaps I could afford this price, but would then have to decide if it were justified. I really like the Natami concept and really hope it succeeds. So I will continually but ocasionally visit this site.
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Chuck T USA
| | Posts 679 05 Jul 2012 16:57
| I think that once you have a finished Natami, a lot of things would have to happen to get an order into production. The thing is that I realized I was spending too much time on the net and it is hard when you have kids. I should be learning more computer languages and I should be doing more electronic projects. If I spend more time in my books and more time on electronics, I will have something and the less I will complain about the Natami. Part of my happiness comes from what I make and my happiness isn't going to be defined by whether the Natami comes out or not or what other people do or don't do. We're given a gift called 'time' every day and we only have something to show for it if we use it. I'm going to be busy making my happiness and I'm going to spend less time on the web with people. I came to offer my advice and support for the Natami team and unless people are involved with those efforts, we're not benefiting. Unless you all are writing tutorials or teaching another, what is your relationship with one another? My interest is in single board computers and small microcontroller projects. So unless people are helping me in some way, I'll be studying a new art of programming.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko Espania
| | Posts 607 05 Jul 2012 21:37
| Your view seems serene enough Chuck T , small steps lead to greater ones , without expectations too big & some humor one can even enjoy the often somewhat compulsive processes :) I am sure you will chuck well in what you propose to yourself , programming is surely a good investment in the future , as well as any other skillsets you might be able to add .
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 06 Jul 2012 04:37
| Honestly.... Like I said, 3.4 GHz * 4 = 13.2 GHz of performance, and then the GPU thrown in..... Does NOT deliver happiness. I'm ALWAYS waiting for the MOST MUNDANE tasks to complete.... and the PERPETUAL UPDATING!!!!!! NatAmi, I will wait until it's over for me, to acquire one of these.
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Lord Aga
| | Posts 129 06 Jul 2012 10:36
| I will wait for NatAmi... until it's finished of course :) Money is, likewise, no object. So whenever it is finished, and whatever it might cost I will buy it.Incidentally, FPGA Arcade, which I also plan to buy (I don't see them as competition, more like buddies) seemed 99.99% finished, and some people got the "protos", BUT, since then many moons have passed. And you still can't fill out an order form and buy one. This shows that things are not so easy to sort out. Patience is a virtue :)
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3991 06 Jul 2012 11:25
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
| Honestly.... Like I said, 3.4 GHz * 4 = 13.2 GHz of performance, and then the GPU thrown in..... Does NOT deliver happiness. I'm ALWAYS waiting for the MOST MUNDANE tasks to complete.... and the PERPETUAL UPDATING!!!!!! NatAmi, I will wait until it's over for me, to acquire one of these.
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Thierry unless the programmer uses those other cores it still is only a 3.4 GHz CPU. Amdahl's law also contradicts what you claim. Code never can be 100% parallel since there are portions that can only be done sequential. So going from 1 to 4 cores do not represent a 400% performance gain! Besides that windows does not use the GPU to calculate anything unless you have drivers for that, and besides that fact very few programs besides games and video codecs make use of those functions. Besides that Thierry could you for ones stop ranting on about the evil empire and be constructive for ones since there is no point in bashing on a relative modern OS.(Yes i said relative modern because there never be a OS that is on par with technology because implementation of those takes time)
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 06 Jul 2012 11:38
| Hey Marcel, do you seriously expect me to believe that you use the ms-dos window ever for programming? I regularly was using script files and the shell for a constructive purpose. There is so much you CAN NOT do with microsoft GARBAGE. win-dos 7 is utterly useless. Nor do you ever "win".
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 06 Jul 2012 11:44
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
| Besides that Thierry could you for ones stop ranting on about the evil empire and be constructive for ones since there is no point in bashing on a relative modern OS. |
This is funny, nay, hilarious, as a SIMPLE ASCII text editor on windows could be 3.5 megabytes in size, and take 4 seconds to start.... REAL ADVANCED that is.
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Olaf Schoenweiss Germany
| | Posts 786 06 Jul 2012 11:55
| I like the "amiga-world" because of nostalgic reasons and many things are solved "less complicated" than in Windows or Linux. But what can you not do with Windows 7 and additional software? And MS-Dos has nothing to do with it anymore (Win95 and I think Win98 used it but it is dropped now and only exists for compatibility reasons inside.
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Olaf Schoenweiss Germany
| | Posts 786 06 Jul 2012 12:01
| I normally use Notepad for simple text editing and it has 69kb. It is possible that simple programs are "blown up" to MBs because in modern environments you use class libraries that are linked in the EXE. I know that from Delphi. That means that "Hello world" is of course very big because the whole class library is linked without being really used. On the other hand in modern PC world you have harddrives with Terrabytes so who cares.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko Espania
| | Posts 607 06 Jul 2012 13:49
| I got my MBP-Retina and its really the first time that I can compute in silence , what a difference , thoughts are clearer to grasp , the flow is just fine . I hate Apple quite a lot , only a bit less than Multiple Sklerosis OS & Company ; they have done enough hipocrit harm . It is about time to get over and do something about a future ... I still forbid myself to program ( it is highly addictive ... ) , it has been hard and many moon-years have passed , my enthusiasm is not broken , just as I have foreseen in my self-programming , I can enjoy the rise of my desire to levels only a truly young can feel . I do not recommend anyone to do the same , I have practised this since age 13 , about when Modula came out and standards kept changing and improving over and over again . Thierry should consider to program :) It is the only way you can untie yourself from dying bound to the MS-Tree , do not waste your life ranting about MS , it will catch up with You anyway at the end of the great journey , all soldiers fall and none can hold a rifle to shoot . Start re-programming yourself , do what you really like , programming on Amiga , when the Natami comes out You will be able to make Great Ranting & Panting about MS Demos ;) Okey Thierry ? Now , I am cutting You free from the MS-Tree , do not waste your freedom & startup that cool'n'funny ... AMOS , focus on the fun , take little steps to fit the results ! Enjoy Oo.JRT.oO Amiga
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 08 Jul 2012 01:09
| Hi Jacek Rafal Tatko, YES.... computer programming IS ADDICTIVE!!!! I CAN'T WAIT to start coding in AMOS Professional on a NatAmi!!!!! I was using my 7.12 MHz Amiga with AMOS and because my program was 535K in size, it took a long time to start running. I placed literally 2,500+ string items to initialize at the beginning of the program so it took a long time before it would run. But once running it NEVER GOT SLOWER at what it was doing. Unlike microsoft's version of Amiga Basic that started slowing down after about 300 lines of commands were gotten to. THAT WAS GARBAGE!!!! It was limited to 65535 lines of code, too.
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 08 Jul 2012 07:39
| EXTERNAL LINK So, miss the old days of computing yet?
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