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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1828
28 Jun 2012 01:56
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Wojtek P wrote:
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True. But you (and most people) don't realize that at the moment people will not want more new things, or at least - will want it less intensively, will be a moment of collapse of IT hardware industry, which depends of exponential growth.The moment is now.
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Actually - who are you that you think that you know what people want or do not want? |
(The following is not based on a true story, it IS a true story.)bill gates tells you what he wants.... I am helping a friend get his BRAND NEW (not second hand) computer that he just bought today up and running. An ASUS. I think it's an AMD 450, whatever that is. Dual core? Probably. 64 bit? Has to be, right? Gigahertz? At least. I guess so. Cost $400 plus tax. So, I answer...
What is your name?
What is your computer's name
Set the time/time zone/date.
Have to accept the license agreement to windows home premium AND MUST accept the license agreement to have the bing toolbar installed too!!!!! Then....
Then....
Theeeennnnn,... it reboots! Geez, work that hard for me??? So, 2 minutes, (I kid you not, AT LEAAST 120 seconds later it is running.... BUT WAIT!!!!! It's asking me to make back up DVDs..... KILL ME NOW!!!!!! Guess what..... GUESS WHAT!!!!! It has to use, IT PREDICTS; "Predictably, six blank writable DVDs are needed to create the recovery DVD." ..... 6 DVDs to do this SIX DIGITAL VERSATILE DISCS to do this.... on a BRAND NEW COMPUTER WITH NO DATA IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AARRRGGHHH!!!!!!!!!! And it's LONGER if you choose the VERIFY option,.... WHICH I DID!!!!!
Thomas Richter wrote:
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In my humble understanding, they want devices that help them in their all-day life. |
Hope the above "FUN COMPUTING ACTIVITY" helps!
Thomas Richter wrote:
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Whether that takes 4GBs to do is irrelevant. Actually, what GB actually *is* is quite irrelevant. |
Since you are so enthusiastic to defend them.....Enjoy yourself when 128 bit CPUs come out and the OS is SOOOO HUMONGOUS that you'll need to fashion 2 Blu Ray discs worth of data or pay the price and not recover.
Thomas Richter wrote:
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Fact is, today's machines do that better than back then, |
That's not true.3.4 GHz * quad core makes a 13.6 GHz CPU. You think you're getting 13.6 GHz of performance compared to AOS' AWESOMENESS?
Thomas Richter wrote:
| | but whether 4GB are justified for that or not does not matter. Because you have the 4GB available for a cheap price, so problem solved. |
Yes, 6 * 4.7 GB DVDs only adds up to $3. You win.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1828
28 Jun 2012 03:57
| 2 hours, 19 minutes, 49 seconds, 4 DVDs (windows can't even calculate properly!!!!) later, oh the JOY I had!
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3975
28 Jun 2012 06:58
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Thomas Richter wrote:
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Wojtek P wrote:
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True. But you (and most people) don't realize that at the moment people will not want more new things, or at least - will want it less intensively, will be a moment of collapse of IT hardware industry, which depends of exponential growth.
The moment is now.
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Actually - who are you that you think that you know what people want or do not want? |
(The following is not based on a true story, it IS a true story.)
bill gates tells you what he wants....
I am helping a friend get his BRAND NEW (not second hand) computer that he just bought today up and running. An ASUS. I think it's an AMD 450, whatever that is. Dual core? Probably. 64 bit? Has to be, right? Gigahertz? At least. I guess so. Cost $400 plus tax.
So, I answer...
What is your name?
What is your computer's name
Set the time/time zone/date.
Have to accept the license agreement to windows home premium AND MUST accept the license agreement to have the bing toolbar installed too!!!!!
Then....
Then....
Theeeennnnn,... it reboots! Geez, work that hard for me???
So, 2 minutes, (I kid you not, AT LEAAST 120 seconds later it is running.... BUT WAIT!!!!!
It's asking me to make back up DVDs.....
KILL ME NOW!!!!!!
Guess what..... GUESS WHAT!!!!!
It has to use, IT PREDICTS; "Predictably, six blank writable DVDs are needed to create the recovery DVD." ..... 6 DVDs to do this SIX DIGITAL VERSATILE DISCS to do this.... on a BRAND NEW COMPUTER WITH NO DATA IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
AARRRGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!
And it's LONGER if you choose the VERIFY option,.... WHICH I DID!!!!!
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400 dollars no wonder you complain on a daily basis about computers.
at that price you have a low end machine with barely adequate anything.
Besides that your not required to accept the BING toolbar!!!
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
28 Jun 2012 08:37
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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I am helping a friend get his BRAND NEW (not second hand) computer that he just bought today up and running. An ASUS. I think it's an AMD 450, whatever that is. Dual core? Probably. 64 bit? Has to be, right? Gigahertz? At least. I guess so. Cost $400 plus tax.
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You get what you pay for. Would you have been able to find a computer for $400 ten years ago, a system with a DVD drive, sound and a grahics card with some bare-bone 3D acceleration? And a harddisk with plenty of space? Amiga had none of that.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Have to accept the license agreement to windows home premium AND MUST accept the license agreement to have the bing toolbar installed too!!!!!
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If you buy the product (M$ windows), of course you have to accept the license. If you don't want M$ windows, buy a system without it and install an operating system you like. I buy my systems without billy-ware and install Linux. No licence agreement. So why is that a problem? You get the Os for a bargain, and complain that you must accept its license to use it?
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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So, 2 minutes, (I kid you not, AT LEAAST 120 seconds later it is running....
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That's what usually happens the first time because the Os installs itself. You also had to install the Workbench on a harddisk if you bought one. Actually, the procedure was much more complicated: You had to use HDToolDisk, or the vendors tool (which was, in my case, a text-only CLI application), then copy the files over manually. Do you call that *easier* or *faster*? I don't.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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It's asking me to make back up DVDs.....
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A good advice - if you want to restore the system back to its original state. Amiga never did that because there were no DVDs. Not even CD-RWs - you had to use third-party software for that. Neither did it remind you to make backups.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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It has to use, IT PREDICTS; "Predictably, six blank writable DVDs are needed to create the recovery DVD." ..... 6 DVDs to do this SIX DIGITAL VERSATILE DISCS to do this.... on a BRAND NEW COMPUTER WITH NO DATA IN IT!
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There is lots of data on it, in case you didn't notice. Probably lots of software I wouldn't want, but I wouldn't have bought the system with Windows in first place. Anyhow, good idea to make a backup.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Hope the above "FUN COMPUTING ACTIVITY" helps!
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For most people, computing activity isn't "fun". It is to do their all-day work, write a couple of letters, browse the internet, read email. The $400 system should have been sufficient for that.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Enjoy yourself when 128 bit CPUs come out and the OS is SOOOO HUMONGOUS that you'll need to fashion 2 Blu Ray discs worth of data or pay the price and not recover.
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I don't think by that time there will be Blu Rays at all, and I still wouldn't buy the system with windows (I never, ever did before, and I never ever will). Wether the system is 128 bit wide or not I would possibly not even bother. If it has enough memory to work, and it needs for that 128bit to address it (which I'll doubt, but who knows), I surely wouldn't have a problem with that either. Why should I? Does the system get worse by that? Actually - no. If a $400 machine is not powerful enough for you, don't buy one.
My rule of thumb back then, and still now is that you should spend around $1000 for a usable system. This is about what I spend back then for my A2000, that's about what I spend for a PC in 2002, and that's still about what it costs today if you want a good system. Just that I get a very good graphics card, gigabyte ethernet, DVD-RW, sound, quad-core, lots of memory, a very silent machine, a very fast processor... Actually, the last system I bought here was about $800 all-in, with a nice core-i5 3.3 Ghz and a GTX 560 Ti graphics card - does a lot more I was ever asked for and a lot more Amiga ever did back then.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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That's not true.
3.4 GHz * quad core makes a 13.6 GHz CPU. You think you're getting 13.6 GHz of performance compared to AOS' AWESOMENESS?
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First of all, Ghz is not multiplied by cores to give performance - that's just idiotic. Did Amiga had a 3.4Ghz processor? No, it didn't. I remember when I TeX-ed my thesis on the Amiga. It took probably half an hour to get it to TeX all the sources and to generate the fonts, then I had a dvi file. The same took probably a minute on the *ix machines we had in the institute. Now, if I do the same, I press enter and about five seconds later I have the result. Yes, that's a damn bit faster indeed.
Compiling programs: Compiling something like VideoEasel took on the Amiga probably 15 minutes. Now, the Linux version does a lot more than the Amiga version, is a lot larger, and it builds under a minute. Yes, that's also a damn bit faster.
Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Yes, 6 * 4.7 GB DVDs only adds up to $3. You win.
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Yes, I do.
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
28 Jun 2012 23:52
| im really astonished what is your urge, thomas, to argue in length with people known to continuously write the same absurdities for years, unregarded the feedback they receive.
have you not wasted enough time on this forum, while your (amiga) expertise might be really much appreciated and useful?
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Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania
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Posts 607
29 Jun 2012 00:19
| .oO Thomas is being kind , attentive and educated in his responses ... I am sure he spends most of his time in a valuable way ... including the amiga experience & expertise ... I still imagine Thierry as Troubadour - tied to our imaginary A-tree and ranting wildly about MOS ( is that singing ? ) Oo.JRT
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