windows 7, when I installed it, it used about 15 gigabytes, then with updates from when the DVD was issued it added about another 2 gigabytes of used space. It says "if you want windows XP compatibility, you need another 20 gigabytes of HD space"!!!

On XP, if you had a full 4 gigabytes of RAM (3.5 usable by the "OS") the "os" wants ANOTHER 1.5 times as much SWAP FILE SPACE on your hard drive too.... That means ANOTHER ~6 Gigabytes (I saw that the swap file on xp was closer to 6.8 Gigs) of hard drive used up.

On windows 7, I have 16 Gigabytes of RAM translating to TWENTY FOUR gigabytes of hard drive space MORE.

17+20+24=61.... but I want to get... I HAVE to get THIRTY TWO gigabytes of RAM (the most my motherboard supports) meaning that I need 17+20+48= 85 GIGABYTES of hard drive space is needed for the "so called os" to "function"....

BUT... we're not done yet!!!!!

Let's look at the first number.

61 Gigabytes of space is needed for windows 7 to work.

The "os" says "you should ALWAYS have 10% of the hard drive free or else you can't do a defragment, and the system will also slow down as you're nearing a 'full state' on the hard drive" (not to mention that insanely annoying bubble popping up all the time saying "running out of space soon").

While that's all good, you STILL may want to consider the recycle bin area. So, if BOTH are 10% that would lead you to need 61/.80=76.25 Gigabytes of SSD space JUST for the windows 7 install.

They DON'T write THAT on the windross box.

In this case AmigaOS is very relaxing and has a friendly feeling :)
   
And this is the HDD usage of my root partition:
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1              14G  5,8G  7,3G  45% /
Only 5,8GB used with all kind of program/package I need until now (LibreOffice included).

And why do you need a RAM drive? the disk access is a magnitude faster then it was on a Amiga.

Besides that my windows installment is only 17GB with all updates installed!!!(okay i tweaked the register)

"You may turn off swap with just 8GB RAM". It's one of the best joke i've heard for a long. Yes - 8192 MEGABYTES.

Compare it to 512kB RAM+256kB ROM in A500. without swap. without hard disk. With shorter boot time than windoze 7.

What was giving red alert to me since i started to read that forum at all, was that most of people here, including engineers creating natami, use windows, or some click-click-don't-understand modern linux distro.

Both are same. Bloatware and lot of work done to prevent understanding what's going on.

Even worse i was really shocked after hearing that these engineers use java and claim it is great language.

With this - are people at natami actually on the side of understanding the power of Amiga?

I don't think so, because the power of Amiga is PROPERLY DONE SOFTWARE.

No "new technology", no java, no C++, no stupid things, just proper
good coding.

Another shock i've got was about Amiga "believers" wanted firefox and openoffice ported to Natami - the classic XXI century bloatware.

This is another clear example of not understanding what is Amiga about.

With people here being that way - how can i believe it will ever be revived, instead of

- making another minimig to play old games
- another abuse of trademark without anything real.

I just don't believe. I believe in fact.

The facts are sad - people don't really understand what was and is Amiga about.

As someone pointed out it is something wrong with windoze 7 that it took 80GB of space, and i can easily trim it down to "only" 10GB, this are still fundamental problems:

- why it needs that much
- why you don't have any control what's going on with your computer.

And remember my own posts about my statement that most people do not really need personal computer. It is now even more true than ever.

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It says that there's a 500 megabyte file to download, and another 15 megabyte one too. But how big is it really?

I totally agree with you, however, that would be true if the Natami project was fully open source so you could make sure that you could build/repair/improve/evolve/duplicate ad infinitum the hardware / software / firmware with the components available then, therefore effectively freeing yourself from any dependencies (except for components).

I sometimes dream of an electronic component manufacturing from scratch open source movement, but this is just a dream so far :)

Here is a story, a true one. Windows got big because every damn layer and API since the dawn of time has to be still working on the most current version. Thierry says "bad, Satan, me not likeeee". The truth is: That's exactly what Natami does! Everything that is working on an old Amiga will work here too. No cutting old stuff to get more efficient, because it wouldn't be an Amiga. People like Thierry don't realise that the gigs of RAM, the Teras of HDD are only cheap, because people NEED it. What is the problem with 70Gig for Win7 (which I never ever reached) when 2TB are cheaper than 40MB back in the days of the A1200? What is the problem if Win7 takes 1,5Gig of RAM to run of 4Gig available when it costs as much as 5 packs of cigarettes? What's the problem if Windows7 takes ten times as long to boot than your Amiga setup if you can send it to standby with restarts within seconds and even taking less power than an C64 power supply dissipates even when the computer is turned off? You want to edit 1080p video and are pissed that 8Gigs of RAM without swap to HDD won't work? Try to do it on an Amiga and see how THAT works. Hell, try it on Natami, even if you find someone that codes you a soft that will let you do that, you will sit there forever and ever just to edit a few seconds without hardware acceleration of H264 and with the rather slow CPU (compared to current x84 or x64 CPUs). These are things where the OS doesn't matter, but brute force processing power does.

I love my Amigas, I'll always have fond memories of the times when I started to make music, draw, make animations, cut some simple videos and stuff. It was a good system and it still has its charm, which is why I'm interested in the Natami. But what you expect from the Natami, Thierry, can and will never be fulfilled. You are bound to be disappointed. things are like they are for a reason. You can accept this or you can go on ranting like an old man how everything was better in your youth. I for one like what I got today, like encoding MP3s within seconds, far faster than realtime, processing audio in a quality that wasn't even imaginable by regular Amiga musicians, having 1080p video playback with 15% CPU load and much much more. I don't care what processor I have to have this power, or what operationg system, but the fact is: x64 and Windows is by far the cheapest way to get this!

But hey, what's up with HTML now????

I have found it, no matter how I alter my HTML code, to make the mirror character of
/
to appear on the screen!!!!???!?!?!?!!!!

FIRST you have to figure out that it's an "entity character"....AND THEN, ..... HALF the places that "have a list of these"..... DO NOT LIST IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Firefox and Chrome will NOT respond to the
& # xx
code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOES NO ONE ON THE PLANET USE IT????????????????

TIME TO RE-INVENT HTML!

Oh and, the web page building software kept introducing anomalous characters with every save that TRASHED THE REST OF THE PAGE TOO!!!!!!!!!

Modern programs are not just pure bloat. They doesn't make sense.

  Finally there will be no "high end" hardware.
 
  Of course lower end fabs would still exist and work happy, and normal programmers will have a lot to do with normal programs.
 
  Bloatware will disappear just as "modern" computers will fail, which is quick as today hardware is designed to last 2 years.

Natami style machine could be produced with relatively low end fabs.

OF course if it will be produced at all, which is unlikely.

And you brand everyone unwilling to use their pc through an altair front panel unworthy of owning one. Single step yourself under a bus, thanks.

Fact is, today's machines do that better than back then, but whether 4GB are justified for that or not does not matter. Because you have the 4GB available for a cheap price, so problem solved.