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Golgoth 27 France
| | Posts 185 23 May 2012 12:39
| A new PPC board is announced for the end of 2012. More details here. EXTERNAL LINK
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Ajc ;) United Kingdom
| | Posts 688 23 May 2012 13:17
| Looks awesome doesn't it, I hope they succeed and sell a lot :)
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Nixus Minimax Germany
| | Posts 272 23 May 2012 13:26
| Golgoth 27 wrote:
| | A new PPC board is announced for the end of 2012. |
Is this a replacement board for the original Amiga board? Does this have Amiga custom chip compatibility? If not, this would only be a strange kind of hybrid 68k/PPC PC-type computer. What would I need the 68k for if I can't run Amiga software anyway? And wouldn't the 1 GHz PPC allow for software emulation of the 33 MHz 68040? I'm surprised that you can even get 68040 processors today. Since I'm not very interested in the PPC-based AmigaOS versions and their competitors, I find the choice of a PPC as a fast companion processor doubtful but that's a different topic altogether.EDIT: they do mention an FPGA. Is this the part that provides custom chip functionality?
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Jakob Eriksson Sweden
| | (Moderator) Posts 1097 23 May 2012 13:44
| Maybe the will leave the 68040 out when the product is complete. If I were them, I would use the 68040 during development but focusing on a 68k emulator for production.
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Golgoth 27 France
| | Posts 185 23 May 2012 14:11
| I think it's an expension board, they just didn't solder the connector on that one. For the FPGA i don't know, they talked about the Natami in the faq.
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Nixus Minimax Germany
| | Posts 272 23 May 2012 14:24
| I have now read the faq and the other info. It seems this is a CPU expansion board that will also hold lots of other connectors like ethernet, USB and even a video out that comes from an additional 2D graphics chip. It seems like this will be a true Siamese twin of a computer... Just consider how little is missing two turn this into a complete computer that doesn't need to sit on the Amiga mainboard...
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Ajc ;) United Kingdom
| | Posts 688 23 May 2012 15:57
| @Nixus It's an accelerator board for the A300/A4000 just as it says in the title. Just like the existing PPC&040/060 accelerators. It still uses the Amiga chipset but with faster 680x0 CPU and an additional PPC CPU.The other features which are hanging off it are probably because they're cheap and easy to add nowadays. So in the past you'd have had a separate card for the network, graphics card, usb etc. Now they're easier to add to the single card. Andy
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Nixus Minimax Germany
| | Posts 272 23 May 2012 16:05
| AJC ;) wrote:
| | The other features which are hanging off it are probably because they're cheap and easy to add nowadays. So in the past you'd have had a separate card for the network, graphics card, usb etc. Now they're easier to add to the single card. |
Yes. For me the downside is that the whole thing will still depend on an aging Amiga motherboard where any part may blow in the near future. The only reasons for this are some legacy connectors (mouse, keyboard), the kickrom and the custom chips. All of those could be replaced by some clever FPGA solution which wouldn't even require doing what Natami set out to do. AFAIK there are FPGA implementations of plain old AGA in the public domain. A replacement board wouldn't need much more work and yet would make much more sense than yet another CPU accelerator board.
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Michael Ward USA
| | Posts 234 23 May 2012 17:00
| This is excellent news. Looks like my A3640 might get retired. Correct me if I am wrong but for now this will function as a standard 68040 machine with the extra features (ram, sata, usb, ehternet), and that the ppc will not be doing much until a warpos of sorts is written for it. Is this a correct perception on my part? Now, what I like about this rig is the fact that everything running off the fast slot, so I am thinking performance of each should be excellent compared to equivelent expansions sitting out on the Zorro bus. Right now I run a FastATA, X-Surf, and Subway USB attached to the X-Surf clockport ; all on Zorro III in my A3000. Thus performance ultimately limited by bandwidth of Zorro right? I always wanted someone to build an expansion like this one. I wish it had a PLX-9054 PCI controller on it like Ralph Czuba designed for the 68K atari but that is ok, the card is of very nice specification. And using an 040 is quite alright too for the reasons they state. Will be buying this for sure when released.
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Golgoth 27 France
| | Posts 185 24 May 2012 00:14
| Maybe they could use a cpu socket and some jumpers to let people put a 060 if they have one at home. Same for the crystal, for some overclocking.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3975 24 May 2012 01:13
| Golgoth they wouldn't, read the FAQ. The PGA takes up as much board space they need it too any more would be a waste. I admire their engineering feat, Maximum Gain, Minimum waste.
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Christophe Prevotaux Canada
| | Posts 47 24 May 2012 01:55
| Nice adaptation of the Freescale P1013 reference design. I wish we could have a a whole computer like that and not just an expansion board :).
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Ajc ;) United Kingdom
| | Posts 688 24 May 2012 09:08
| Nixus Minimax wrote:
| | AFAIK there are FPGA implementations of plain old AGA in the public domain. A replacement board wouldn't need much more work and yet would make much more sense than yet another CPU accelerator board. |
There are FPGA AGA implementations? I know MikeJ is working on one but it's not available to many/any people yet and it's the only one I've heard of. Maybe it's simply a matter of wanting to satisfy a market, or their own desires. Remember that most of these projects aren't about building a card for 'you' they're about a card for 'them'. The fact that it has some overlap with your desires is incidental ;) Of course one option would be for 'you' or someone else to make a replacement FPGA based motherboard with a CPU card slot that could take this accelerator. Then you're effectively each doing half of the job. Something like the "Georg Braun A1000" EXTERNAL LINK but using an FPGA Andy
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Nixus Minimax Germany
| | Posts 272 24 May 2012 11:39
| AJC ;) wrote:
| | There are FPGA AGA implementations? I know MikeJ is working on one but it's not available to many/any people yet and it's the only one I've heard of. |
You probably know better than I do. I think I got the idea because I read that minimig was going AGA and since the differences between OCS and AGA aren't that big I assumed that the work had already been done by now.
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Michael Ward USA
| | Posts 234 24 May 2012 11:55
| AJC ;) wrote:
| Something like the "Georg Braun A1000" EXTERNAL LINK but using an FPGA Andy |
Georg looks to have an impending revision 5 release of this board. 040 or 060 native, 2 clock ports, a600 style IDE, etc... These boards are interesting assuming one can actually build one. I would love an a3000 or 4000 version of this. The current Georg designs are closer to a3000 in nature and do have the Amber video subsystem already. Regarding this accelerator, even without immediate use of ppc, they would still be a highly useful add-on. And maybe a cost effective upgrade compared to other options.
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Golgoth 27 France
| | Posts 185 24 May 2012 12:43
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
| Golgoth they wouldn't, read the FAQ. The PGA takes up as much board space they need it too any more would be a waste. I admire their engineering feat, Maximum Gain, Minimum waste.
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I read the faq, and i understood why they choose the 040, i also know that most people i see who have a 040 board try to turn it into a 060. It would just be better if they didn't have to use the soldering iron to do that. And it wasn't even a request, just a thought. It will be great the way they'll make it, as it's a wonderful initiative.
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Ajc ;) United Kingdom
| | Posts 688 24 May 2012 15:31
| Michael Ward wrote:
| | Georg looks to have an impending revision 5 release of this board. 040 or 060 native, 2 clock ports, a600 style IDE, etc... These boards are interesting assuming one can actually build one. I would love an a3000 or 4000 version of this. The current Georg designs are closer to a3000 in nature and do have the Amber video subsystem already. |
The only thing I find annoying about Georg's stuff is that he uploads the schematics etc and then after a few months he just took them all down again! Now I don't know if they're online anywhere :(
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3975 24 May 2012 18:59
| Golgoth 27 wrote:
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Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
| Golgoth they wouldn't, read the FAQ. The PGA takes up as much board space they need it too any more would be a waste. I admire their engineering feat, Maximum Gain, Minimum waste. |
I read the faq, and i understood why they choose the 040, i also know that most people i see who have a 040 board try to turn it into a 060. It would just be better if they didn't have to use the soldering iron to do that. And it wasn't even a request, just a thought. It will be great the way they'll make it, as it's a wonderful initiative.
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I chose a 030 over a 040 on my last design because it was simpler to interface on the existing bus.
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Michael Ward USA
| | Posts 234 24 May 2012 20:11
| AJC ;) wrote:
| The only thing I find annoying about Georg's stuff is that he uploads the schematics etc and then after a few months he just took them all down again! Now I don't know if they're online anywhere :(
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Yes there was some kind of snafu at some point and Georg changed his policy somewhat regarding what gets posted. I was able to find alternative websites that contained some of these things. As far as I know, they didn't look like the latest revisions though. I do not know if the rev5 detailed information will get published or not. I hope it does. I have a 2nd A3000 with hammered motherboard. Would make a good donor part machine assuming the main PCB board could be obtained or made.
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Golgoth 27 France
| | Posts 185 24 May 2012 21:49
| On AmigaImpact, they will buy a batch of 060, around 30 for now, maybe more.
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