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Christophe Prevotaux
Canada
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Posts 47
19 Apr 2012 03:42
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Christophe, you can put different spin and interpretations of facts, and I would not describe any of the points exactly as you did. |
There is ZERO spin put on things I said what I said was vetted by your very team member. And I was careful to make sure I did not state wrongful information. Also if what I mentioned were indeed facts, how could there be any interpretation of them :) ( I am just pulling you leg). |
The only point of yours I must complement though, is the one of Thomas not wanting any help. This is not true. What is true is that he does not accept "help" which compromises the vision.
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Yes ok, maybe the problem is knowing exactly what that vision is in terms of openness of the project in the end for example and clearly stating it to the community.
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
19 Apr 2012 07:48
| As far as I know Natami will stay closed source, at least as long as there is someone in the team interested in improving it! I don't think this is a problem at all. The community at large already has an "escape exit", first in UAE and now in Minimig and OpenCores OCS Amiga 1000. What the community needs, is something to drive innovation, and neither UAE nor Minimig has been very good at that. They HAVE been extremely good at cloning behavior of legacy Amigas though. I am sure they can clone Natami at some point in the future too if there is a demand for an open source Natami. Btw, you pulled my leg seriously, I fell for it at first. :-)
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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Posts 275
19 Apr 2012 08:23
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Wawa posted a link Aros 68k (with Scalos) running on 060/50. It was certainly not as fast as using 3.1. but it was already usable. |
Yes, but "usable" on a processor that is ~100 times faster than that of the original Amiga. Anyway, I guess that the AGA driver thing can be and will be solved once there are more people having a real interest in AROS68k. I wouldn't really see the point of running AROS on a legacy Amiga. With regard to Natami, AROS offers a lot of exciting perspectives which AOS never could.
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
19 Apr 2012 08:32
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Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
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Wawa posted a link Aros 68k (with Scalos) running on 060/50. It was certainly not as fast as using 3.1. but it was already usable. |
Yes, but "usable" on a processor that is ~100 times faster than that of the original Amiga. Anyway, I guess that the AGA driver thing can be and will be solved once there are more people having a real interest in AROS68k. I wouldn't really see the point of running AROS on a legacy Amiga. With regard to Natami, AROS offers a lot of exciting perspectives which AOS never could.
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Well, running AROS on a legacy Amiga is a quite good benchmark: If it is fast and responsive on such an old HW, on NatAmi it will fly ;)
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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Posts 275
19 Apr 2012 11:22
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That's true. Perhaps all testing should be done on old Amigas to make sure that the code is fast enough. But I can't really see me digging out my old A1200 and freeing the required space on my desk. With Natami changing between computers would be a matter of plugging a USB-hub and a monitor cable into the respective computer.
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
19 Apr 2012 13:02
| Nixus Minimax wrote:
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Erik Bauer wrote:
| Well, running AROS on a legacy Amiga is a quite good benchmark: If it is fast and responsive on such an old HW, on NatAmi it will fly ;)
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That's true. Perhaps all testing should be done on old Amigas to make sure that the code is fast enough. But I can't really see me digging out my old A1200 and freeing the required space on my desk. With Natami changing between computers would be a matter of plugging a USB-hub and a monitor cable into the respective computer.
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There always is WinUae with "Approximate A1200 Speed" option enabled ;) PS: I know, emulation is not good for compatibility testing and debugging...
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
25 Apr 2012 11:00
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Erik Bauer wrote:
| Well, running AROS on a legacy Amiga is a quite good benchmark: If it is fast and responsive on such an old HW, on NatAmi it will fly ;)
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That's true. Perhaps all testing should be done on old Amigas to make sure that the code is fast enough. But I can't really see me digging out my old A1200 and freeing the required space on my desk. With Natami changing between computers would be a matter of plugging a USB-hub and a monitor cable into the respective computer.
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Yeah. Testing must be done on uae, and then on real amigas where it still reveals problems not Easy to spot somewhere else. alas to utilize USB on natami or other youd need a proper stack (poseidon ) working, and it isnt yet under aros68k. All in all its not so hard to Test aros on real hw as is. Im doing it all the time. One needs just winuae and an USB-IDE adapter. Whereas waiting for a complete consumer version of natami could well take another few years.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
26 Apr 2012 13:24
| ! OT !
Nesting with square brackets/quotes/bold is currently broken in the posts above.****** Has anyone at all from Amiga's past that influenced it greatly contacted you guys with support of any kind? If it's happened I suppose they've asked you to keep it secret, it seems. Talk about the near ultimate "Catch - 22" questions of all time, eh?
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
26 Jan 2013 09:39
| Sorry for the thread necro, @Rune Earlier in this thread you had a program that counted Instructions in a program. I have two questions one are you still working on adding more features to it and two Could i have It?
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P. Love
USA
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Posts 45
31 Mar 2013 20:35
| Do anybody know if there were any plans for a Stage II video with the Mx board...???
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