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Amiga Blitter
Italy
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Posts 34
17 Apr 2012 18:14
| Teamers, please, feed us with fresh news on Natami. Any new video? SAGA progress?
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
17 Apr 2012 18:38
| No news yet, and the next piece of update will probably be some "boring" but critical compatibility update.
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Tomasz Malinowski
Sweden
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Posts 14
17 Apr 2012 21:52
| "Boring" or not... it still can keep us more patient when we see some progress.
I think that many of you, readers, will agree with me, that the project of Natami is so much expected that it really makes us inpatient when we do not see regular, and (not enough) often, news from the battlefield... Any news makes us really feel better :)
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Christophe Prevotaux
Canada
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Posts 47
18 Apr 2012 02:53
| What follows is not a critic of the state of the Natami project but purely meant as what I consider an information. I think some explanation about this project have not been explicitly given by its members to the community. At the very least I personally was not aware of certain things until I asked specifically about them ,for example: - this project is a closed source project for the time being and the foreseeable future - the hardware and chipset design is the work of 1 person who does not want help from other people because he wants to achieve everything himself (which is fine but should be clearly stated so people do not wonder why progress are so slow to happen and be released to the world). - it is not clear that any of the project ressources code, designs, cpu core , chipset cores etc.. etc.. will ever be released to the public as their is no commitment from anyone so far to do so. If anyone from the Natami team has something to correct in what I am stating here , please be welcome to do so and inform correctly the community that is impatiently waiting for Natami. I hope nobody takes offence in this post
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Adrian Browne
Ireland
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Posts 170
18 Apr 2012 03:21
| I think it's best to be close sourced imho.The design could be copied and messed with by other folk and just plain ripped off.It's not nice to see ones work copied wholesale.@christophe prevotaux im not sure what you said is quite true or not.Someone from the team might answer.
Im wondering what the next step is myself.I gather from posts that the board is being debugged and such.Should we expect a basic stable and predictable working system as the next step.(I read something about this vaguely in an old thread)The rest of the more advanced features then being implemented after this step. Still I don't expect the natami soon as long as it gets completed in the end i will be happy.
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Christophe Prevotaux
Canada
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Posts 47
18 Apr 2012 04:28
| If anything I said is not "quite true" I will then stand corrected by the relevant team members I believe. I also hope it gets completed "in the end" I just hope the project "end" and my "end" won't coincide :)!
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
18 Apr 2012 07:29
| Christophe, you can put different spin and interpretations of facts, and I would not describe any of the points exactly as you did.
The only point of yours I must complement though, is the one of Thomas not wanting any help. This is not true. What is true is that he does not accept "help" which compromises the vision.
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Ville H.
Finland
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Posts 144
18 Apr 2012 11:34
| I'm sure some serious work is done behind the curtains and I understand many people are anxious about any news, little or big (like I am!). Maybe a bit of news now and then, even if it's not some "earth-shattering" announcement would be good IMO :).
I'm here lurkin', sometimes postin' & waitin' patiently for the next Amiga - Natami! <thumbs up>
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
18 Apr 2012 13:30
| Ville H. wrote:
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I'm sure some serious work is done behind the curtains and I understand many people are anxious about any news, little or big (like I am!). Maybe a bit of news now and then, even if it's not some "earth-shattering" announcement would be good IMO :).
I'm here lurkin', sometimes postin' & waitin' patiently for the next Amiga - Natami! <thumbs up>
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Rune Stensland
Norway
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Posts 871
18 Apr 2012 13:43
| I am on vacation in the bush, but when I get back i hope to complete a gigabit network driver. Thomas has added complete pci support/registers, and the onboard network chip is respondin my pokes. Most of the hardware team is working on the softcore. So little news on the chipset.
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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Posts 272
18 Apr 2012 14:42
| Thanks, Rune, I think this is exactly the kind of information everybody is longing for. At least it makes me happy to read such things.
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Rune Stensland
Norway
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Posts 871
18 Apr 2012 16:08
| The problem is wich tcp/ip stack to support.. My first idea was to create a amitcp compatible driver, so that all the old software where working.. But amitcp/miami/ genesis is not opensource.. Aros is opensource, but the natami is currently not able to boot Aros. We haven't debugged why aros doesn't start, but aros 68k is not running very fast, and the chunky modes of the saga chipset is not done yet.
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Louis Dias
USA
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Posts 217
18 Apr 2012 16:33
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The problem is wich tcp/ip stack to support.. My first idea was to create a amitcp compatible driver, so that all the old software where working.. But amitcp/miami/ genesis is not opensource.. Aros is opensource, but the natami is currently not able to boot Aros. We haven't debugged why aros doesn't start, but aros 68k is not running very fast, and the chunky modes of the saga chipset is not done yet.
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Sounds like you should add Jason McMullen to the team! ;-)
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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Posts 272
18 Apr 2012 16:39
| Rune Stensland wrote:
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Is there a known reason? Some place in AROS that could take a bit of optimisation?
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
18 Apr 2012 16:52
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Rune Stensland wrote:
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Is there a known reason? Some place in AROS that could take a bit of optimisation?
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The AGA graphics drivers need some attention. They currently don't even use the blitter.
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
18 Apr 2012 16:55
| Louis Dias wrote:
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If he's willing to pay what the prototype board costs to join, he's welcome to.
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Louis Dias
USA
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Posts 217
18 Apr 2012 17:43
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Louis Dias wrote:
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If he's willing to pay what the prototype board costs to join, he's welcome to. I kind of doubt if he will though, since he has a prototype FPGAArcade Replay board already.
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He's posted here before and seemed eager... I think only the costs would be prohibitive...On another thought, a bounty for a proper AROS 68k graphics library update may fix the issue...
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
18 Apr 2012 17:51
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On another thought, a bounty for a proper AROS 68k graphics library update may fix the issue...
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Very true. AGA is AGA both on A4000/1200 and Natami. And furthermore, the blitter is the blitter on both Amiga and Natami. So all AROS 68k optimizations for the Amiga platform benefits Natami automatically, which means also otherwise conservative Toni Wilen should be interested.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 782
18 Apr 2012 18:00
| Wawa posted a link Aros 68k (with Scalos) running on 060/50. It was certainly not as fast as using 3.1. but it was already usable. And i know that Toni Wilen and Jason are working on improving it. So I am convinced that Natami will be fast enough for Aros 68k.
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SID Hervé
France
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Posts 663
19 Apr 2012 00:57
| Hello Many times it was requested help for the software part (drivers, etc.). This is to speed up the development. Please remember that the work is done on free time. Do not expect a log file at each step otherwise it could be deducted from their free time. NB: During the 80s, I was doing electronic maintenance of audiovisual equipment. All circuits were recalculated by hand (no plans, schematics or useful informations, only the card and its components). It takes time and requires patience to start from scratch.
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