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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
06 Apr 2012 07:49
| Erik you can laugh about it but those are the same people who think x86 systems are here to stay.
Even Intel knew it should have left it for dead, ITANIUM to give a good example. ;)
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Apr 2012 08:55
| I know... it's just funny how some people argue at Microprocessors without knowing anything about them. And besides that, the sentence "68K, the Evil CISC" is just funny by itself... it sounds Pulp SCI-FI.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
06 Apr 2012 09:42
| To be honest i sounds like a 1920's horror movie.
The Evil CISC from 68K leagues Below!
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Apr 2012 10:06
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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To be honest i sounds like a 1920's horror movie.
The Evil CISC from 68K leagues Below!
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Yeah, I can see the adverts:
"It came from 68k leagues Below! The evil CISC!" ROFL!
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
06 Apr 2012 11:52
| Or like a 80's action film.
CISC is back with vengence meet 68K!This doesn't remove the IRONY of the matter that the Natami team made it a RISC inside. :D
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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Posts 273
06 Apr 2012 12:15
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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They did? How?
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Apr 2012 12:18
| Don't know exactly, but my first guess is they made it in the same way Moto made the 060 RISC inside, CISC outside (or something similar)
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Megol .
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Posts 680
06 Apr 2012 13:30
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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Erik you can laugh about it but those are the same people who think x86 systems are here to stay.
Even Intel knew it should have left it for dead, ITANIUM to give a good example. ;)
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X86 is here to stay in the nearest future at least. Itanium was a processor intended to replace both Alpha and PA-RISC. It did. It even replaced MIPS in some systems. Itanium have x86 emulation, first in hardware and later as a required software layer.
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Matt Hey
USA
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Posts 735
06 Apr 2012 14:06
| Erik Bauer wrote:
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Don't know exactly, but my first guess is they made it in the same way Moto made the 060 RISC inside, CISC outside (or something similar)
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Pretty close, although an instruction buffer does not work inside an fpga very well, unfortunately, so it is left out.
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Apr 2012 14:18
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Erik Bauer wrote:
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Don't know exactly, but my first guess is they made it in the same way Moto made the 060 RISC inside, CISC outside (or something similar)
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Pretty close, although an instruction buffer does not work inside an fpga very well, unfortunately, so it is left out.
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Yeah, I don't know if you have many other ways to do it.
That recalls me a day when my X86 ASM teacher borrowed my copy of an Amiga magazine where they reviewed the 060 in a very technical way... and reading the RISC-CISC part he was all "Oh my! At Moto they are all freaking crazy! Oh My! This is crazy!" LOL
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Louis Dias
USA
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Posts 217
06 Apr 2012 15:17
| CISC->RISC is what x86 is today...
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Apr 2012 15:21
| Yes, but at the times it was '93 ;)
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Pawel K.
Poland
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Posts 53
07 Apr 2012 17:24
| name "Apollo" is confusing and not even nice...
it would be better to name it differently. It it have to be some kind of greek god then why not eg. Zeus? :)
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 185
07 Apr 2012 17:33
| Rocky !! He already beated Apollo :-)
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Greg .0
France
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Posts 6
07 Apr 2012 21:11
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Rocky !!
He already beated Apollo :-)
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[OT]
The french Touch
MDR...
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Megol .
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Posts 680
08 Apr 2012 14:20
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Yes, but at the times it was '93 ;)
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Pentium was comparable with the 68k60 in 1993...
Neither the 68k60 nor the Pentium was executing RISC-y instructions, if one calls what they executed RISC the 80486 was RISC-y too (in 1989)!
The Intel Pentium Pro can be called RISC internally though, it splits all complicated instructions into simple 2 input, 1 output operations with only a few exceptions. The AMD K6 was relatively RISC while the K7 to "K10" uses simplified CISC operations.
Are we OT enough already? ;)Why not call the softcore ROCK68? ;P
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Brett Tesdall
USA
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Posts 6
12 Apr 2012 17:17
| I just wanted to say that I've been following this project for quite some time after being an ex-Amigan back in the day, gave it up in 95, but then in the last few years, rediscovered the Amiga and started buying machines off eBay....got a 3000 and several 500's now, but I've stopped buying because I'm anxiously awaiting the release of Natami, which I feel is the only true successor to the classic line. Everything else released in the last decade or so as just seemed to be a PC wrapped in the Amiga name. I'm curious about one or two things, and hope you all can answer and I hope I'm not going too off-topic... Is the plan for Natami to be based on official Kickstart 3.1 and OS 3.9, or is AROS the preferred direction, or is someone working to do for AmigaOS what Natami is doing for the classic Amiga? Would the current releases of AmigaOS be the preference? Has anyone looked into obtaining legal use of Kickstart in these machines, or even offered to pick up development of Kickstart and bring it up to 21st century standards? I'm also kinda curious to find out what you all think of AmigaOS 4 and above. Would YOU run it on your Natami someday, or prefer to stay with KS3.1/OS3.9?
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 185
12 Apr 2012 17:30
| I think, (people will correct me) that you can use both rom 3.1 or Aros. Aros is the free and open source "version" of the AmigaOS 3.x.
If you have legal rom you could use them, but Aros will probably go on and offer some improvements than only being 100% compatible with 3.x.For OS4, i never used it, and as it is on PPC, i don't think we will ever see a port on NatAmi.
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
12 Apr 2012 17:30
| @Brett Tesdall
This should have been in a new thread, but here goes:
OS 4 is PPC specific and if its owners want it to run on NatAmi they'll either have to have one of their suppliers come out with a PPC card for the NatAmi's SyncZorro slot or backport all of their features to 68k.
The official path forward for NatAmi's OS is AROS 68k. OS 3.x will work on it too but AROS is open source and actively developed.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
13 Apr 2012 11:49
| Natami is suppose to be compatibe to the AGA chipset and thus anything working on a AGA system should run on a Natami, in theory.(Games and programs that failed previously, well about that i cannot tell)
Thomas showed already some Game running on his development system The great giana sisters IIRC.
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