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Olaf Schoenweiss
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Posts 786
27 Mar 2012 10:39
| Yes and I appreciate that :-). I do not see such a high risk. The split is only for software that is directly hitting the hardware (mostly games). But even games (at least when commercial) will avoid to do that to reach as many customers as possible.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
27 Mar 2012 12:06
| To be honest.... I think that the lurkers number 400 to 1,200... And those easily convinced to buy a NatAmi are absolutely in the range of 3,000 to 5,000 more.
(Remember, 7,000,000,000 people are out there.) Me? My concern is that I want many many more than this to be buying a NatAmi! ~10,000 NatAmis get sold, and I'd say that a sustainable software market can exist. Not many sales, don't quit your day job, but you can make a couple of bucks.
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Carsten Roth
Germany
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27 Mar 2012 12:44
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I think that the lurkers number 400 to 1,200...
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In this context, would the daily page accesses in numbers help to get a little more light into such speculation. :)
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Adrian Browne
Ireland
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Posts 173
27 Mar 2012 16:50
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To be honest....
I think that the lurkers number 400 to 1,200...
And those easily convinced to buy a NatAmi are absolutely in the range of 3,000 to 5,000 more.
(Remember, 7,000,000,000 people are out there.)
Me? My concern is that I want many many more than this to be buying a NatAmi!
~10,000 NatAmis get sold, and I'd say that a sustainable software market can exist.
Not many sales, don't quit your day job, but you can make a couple of bucks.
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With an a500/a1200 style case id say it's possible to sell 10,000.Yes id like it to sell many more too but who knows.Like i was implying earlier a small but passionate communnity working together can do a lot and this is important for natami.Any success of natami even modest is surely good for the amiga scene in general.
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Geir E
Norway
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Posts 104
28 Mar 2012 11:45
| The Amiga market is parted in different ways now.. You got those who swear to the classics, then those who are so into Amiga that they want to use it for modern stuff (PPC based) even though it is just remotly related to the classics, there are those who buy into CommodoreUSAs ideas who just buys it for the name but probably don't connect more to it than that and there are those who love the classics and want to have a modern equalent of that. Which NatAmi will be the best choice. But given the huge range of options in a niche your pretty lucky to get to such a high number as your hoping for. I would guess in the hundreds, but I like to be proven wrong. It is just the fact that NatAmi is no "entry level" like the minimig. It will be a lot more than what you consider an impulse purchase.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
28 Mar 2012 13:56
| Know who I am? I am the guy who said.... "AMIGA.... If it ONLY had more colours...
CHIP RAM...
RAM...
MHz...
32 bits custom chips...
storage capacity....
flicker fixer included..." Well...... NOW I GOT IT!!!!!! AND, I AM H A P P Y!!!!!! AMIGA's full potential was NEVER REALIZED! Soon NatAmi will do this! I really think that there are thousands upon thousands of people out there that thought the same, and would LOVE TO SEE IT FIRST HAND! That is why I stand by what I say over and over again.
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
28 Mar 2012 15:30
| EXTERNAL LINK has some information about the CPU core.
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Louis Dias
USA
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Posts 217
28 Mar 2012 15:36
| Does this mean the team is commercializing the cpu core?
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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Posts 275
28 Mar 2012 15:43
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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I find it a slightly frightening idea that there could be thousands of people thinking like you... :o) I'm an ex-Amiga fanatic in the truest meaning of the word but I think that only nerds are interested in how a specific machine works. In my opinion the number of nerds has been more or less constant over the years with millions and millions of non-nerd computer users entering the scene. When in 1985 almost every computer user was a nerd, the nerds are now only a small percentage of all computer users. On the other hand a nerd doesn't only use/buy a single computer like most consumers do, the nerd may buy some piece of technology just because the technical aspects of the machine please him even though there is no real use for it. So there definitely IS a market. People didn't buy the C=64-joystick just for the games... Looking at the Pandora - which has been cited before as an example - there should be some thousands of people willing to spend a few hundred bucks/euros for a Natami. The question is whether this user base will be enough to also provide some usable new software that would render a Natami useful for other purposes than just doing what you did twenty years ago. Personally I was never a great fan of UAE. I set it up once but was slightly embarrassed by how simple things actually were. A lot of stuff that didn't even exist in 1990 is now something I take for granted. Thus, for me a lot will depend on whether there will be a user interface that is more appealing and usable than what existed back in the days. Also there should be some new useful software. Then and only then the Natami will be more for me than nostalgia put on a new level.
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Nixus Minimax
Germany
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28 Mar 2012 15:54
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That would be really great! If they manage to license the soft-core to some company, they should make sure to also offer a graphics core which for some strange reason is compatible to the Amiga chipset. Who knows, some company might start to produce Amiga-ASICs without knowing it... :D
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
28 Mar 2012 16:09
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EXTERNAL LINK has some information about the CPU core.
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Correction: This is the future home of where some real numbers will be when they exist. These are currently placeholders. (Oops.)
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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28 Mar 2012 16:47
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Samuel D Crow wrote:
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EXTERNAL LINK has some information about the CPU core.
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Correction: This is the future home of where some real numbers will be when they exist. These are currently placeholders. (Oops.)
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From that website:
Apollo core wrote:
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The branch cache also plays a major role in achieving the high performance levels of the APOLLO. It has been implemented such that most branches are executed in zero cycles. Using a technique known as branch folding, the branch cache allows the instruction fetch pipeline to detect and change the instruction prefetch stream before the change of flow affects the instruction execution engines, minimizing the need for pipeline refill.
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is "branch folding" something the 68070 could do/use?
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
28 Mar 2012 17:00
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is "branch folding" something the 68070 could do/use?
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The Apollo core is the new name for the N68070.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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28 Mar 2012 17:54
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Thierry Atheist wrote:
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is "branch folding" something the 68070 could do/use?
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The Apollo core is the new name for the N68070.
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Oh, I see. I didn't know. I didn't see a comment or news item about it.....Errrr, uhmmmmm, WOW!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME!
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
28 Mar 2012 18:01
| That is because this isn't really official and the site is a placeholder. But it wasn't really a secret either.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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28 Mar 2012 18:01
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AMIGA's full potential was NEVER REALIZED!
Soon NatAmi will do this!
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I disagree on this for a simple reason, What about the next revision? ;)BTW Branch folding was talked about here about 2 years ago.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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28 Mar 2012 18:18
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That is because this isn't really official and the site is a placeholder. But it wasn't really a secret either.
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After reading that, I've come to the realization that, I was never really excited enough over the eventual production of the NatAmi project!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D
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Adrian Browne
Ireland
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Posts 173
28 Mar 2012 18:20
| Apollo greek god: Apollo's Strengths: Creative, handsome, supportive of all the arts of civilization.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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28 Mar 2012 18:33
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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Thierry Atheist wrote:
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AMIGA's full potential was NEVER REALIZED!Soon NatAmi will do this!
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I disagree on this for a simple reason, What about the next revision? ;) |
Philosophically speaking, you are correct. :-)Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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BTW Branch folding was talked about here about 2 years ago.
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Heh. I forgot.Still, didn't understand that that website was a direct result of the NatAmi Project! And that's with the CPU still being incomplete to our needs AND there are more powerful FPGAs that it could be loaded into and run!
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
28 Mar 2012 18:53
| Thierry again something i have said for the past 3 years making the CPU and stand alone project means that both projects could make progress independent and on the CPU side would attain a greater market support. More 68K systems mean more programmers + code for similar systems.
And thus hopefully means more consumers. (which creates a virtuous loop) Besides that because of the split, the chipset project members can spend more time in optimal solutions with more a abstract loop on the 68K then knowing every nitty gritty detail.(this is a double edged sword) Besides that a split could gain interest from 68K enthusiasts for the CPU. (Atari fans, and etc)
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