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Louis Dias
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Posts 217
23 Mar 2012 20:16
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Louis Dias wrote:
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Can anyone tell us the current speed of the new cpu core?
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Probably not until it's ready. Keep in mind that its clock-speed may be adversely affected by some of the opcodes that are not yet implemented. The current clock speed is the greatest common denominator of the existing opcodes.
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The key word was "current"! ;)
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Megol .
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Posts 676
25 Mar 2012 12:16
| Louis Dias wrote:
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Samuel D Crow wrote:
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Louis Dias wrote:
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Can anyone tell us the current speed of the new cpu core?
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Probably not until it's ready. Keep in mind that its clock-speed may be adversely affected by some of the opcodes that are not yet implemented. The current clock speed is the greatest common denominator of the existing opcodes.
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The key word was "current"! ;)
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Exactly. Even if the frequency have to be adjusted up or down it would be useful to know if the soft core have cracked, let's say, the 50MHz "barrier" yet.
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SID Hervé
France
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Posts 663
25 Mar 2012 14:17
| Hello Please, could it be explained briefly why the relationship between frequency and the opcode is important? Thank you
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
25 Mar 2012 15:06
| the competition does not sleep:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=685296#post685296
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Megol .
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Posts 676
25 Mar 2012 16:30
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the competition does not sleep:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=685296#post685296
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Wasn't aware that there was a competition? The goals of the two projects aren't the same. Natami = fast, modernish Amiga. FPGA Arcade = Jack of all trades of retro.
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
25 Mar 2012 19:12
| fpga arcade+060 board, by an dedicated minimig contributor, so what should it be. i hope natami will fall faster than that, but do not take it for granted.
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Matt Hey
USA
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Posts 734
25 Mar 2012 20:39
| Natami aims high and fpgaArcade aims low but it would be short sighted not to think they will compete in the middle. The Natami with N68k vs the fpgaArcade with 68060 board should have competitive price and specs, at least at first. If the N68k is a success, the Natami should have the advantage IMHO. Emulation of other processors and systems is an advantage of the fpgaArcade. Strictly retro gamers don't need the 060 board but the extra expansion/ports are nice. They should sell as they will be available first. Healthy competition is good. I hope that both can agree on standards/enhancements.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1828
26 Mar 2012 09:28
| That's getting pretty scary..... BUT, NatAmi still is superior tech! FPGA
Arcade * * NatAmi
128 * * * * * 512 megs of RAM
??? * * * * * 256 megs is CHIP ram
24*ECS * * 100*AGA custom chips speed
~66 Mhz * * 150+ MHz 68060 speed In addition, NatAmi has:
assembler instructions execute in less clock cycles NEW ones and even some ColdFire ones
32 bit ECS/OCS/AGA
3D core
improved copper (2 copper?)
32 bit colour support
improved sound output
possibly 1920*1080, if not, then 1280*1024
Akikko Is there some form of SIMD included? I've missed quite a bit, I'm certain. And we have a strong desire to see an ASIC be made.... anyone for 716 MHz???
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
26 Mar 2012 11:04
| It's not scary at all, healthy competition is always good. If you look at MHz, the 68060 runs pretty stable at 100 MHz, this is a limit of the 68060 itself, not the FPGAArcade or Natami.
As for the softcore CPU, when it arrives, it is not yet known what speed it can run inside the Natami. But it is not very easy to compare either. It might have even lower MHz than the 68060, but its' memory access will be very fast and it will be faster per clock cycle for many instructions. On the other hand, the 68060 can execute some instructions in parallel which the softcore can not. And so on, blah, blah blah. To make a long story short, real performance can not determined until it runs for real. But memory performance can be expected to be good, because, Thomas is designing the whole system around fast (throughput) and quick (low latency) memory access. Also, as have been stated several times, don't expect a 3D core in the first version. Yes, it got Akiko now, but it was mostly as a side effect of a discussion within the team.
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Michel Michel3105
Italy
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Posts 13
26 Mar 2012 11:45
| In the sound department, there's no competition between ArcadeReplay and Natami. The latter will get 2x voices and 2x bit resolution and hi quality RCA connectors.
Being mainly a musician, this settles everything, for me.
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Adrian Browne
Ireland
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Posts 171
26 Mar 2012 19:56
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In the sound department, there's no competition between ArcadeReplay and Natami. The latter will get 2x voices and 2x bit resolution and hi quality RCA connectors.
Being mainly a musician, this settles everything, for me.
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Yes the sound should rock on natami.Imo the natami is more amiga centric than the fpga arcade and thus i think we have a chance to create a more closely knitted and productive amiga orientated community.
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
26 Mar 2012 21:09
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we have a chance to create a more closely knitted and productive amiga orientated community.
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all alone you will have no chance to do anything, even together i dont see much coming out of that anymore. there is barely anyone productive and skilled left at present. but who wants to split and sweep his own backyard, should go ahead.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3976
26 Mar 2012 21:34
| wawa tk wrote:
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adrian browne wrote:
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we have a chance to create a more closely knitted and productive amiga orientated community.
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all alone you will have no chance to do anything, even together i dont see much coming out of that anymore. there is barely anyone productive and skilled left at present. but who wants to split and sweep his own backyard, should go ahead.
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+1
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Adrian Browne
Ireland
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Posts 171
27 Mar 2012 00:37
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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wawa tk wrote:
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adrian browne wrote:
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we have a chance to create a more closely knitted and productive amiga orientated community.
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all alone you will have no chance to do anything, even together i dont see much coming out of that anymore. there is barely anyone productive and skilled left at present. but who wants to split and sweep his own backyard, should go ahead.
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+1
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Well clearly if we don't try to make a productive Natami community then it will never happen.Effort is required and optimism.The pandora community over at openpandora is an example.Even though the pandora's release was delayed and such several thousand people waited patiently for many years to recieve their pandoras.This level of customer loyalty is not earned in a day but I don't see why the natami can't have a similar following with time.There are about 4 to 5 thousand people who bought pandoras.There are many productive people over there too.
We can attaract new productive people to the natami too. I will do what i can to advertise and support natami 1000 per cent.
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
27 Mar 2012 02:01
| sounds like you might be interested in os4. there you can go be optimistic and do not even need to know the details of what you are going to advertise. lemme sit down and wait while at it.
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Adrian Browne
Ireland
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Posts 171
27 Mar 2012 02:37
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sounds like you might be interested in os4. there you can go be optimistic and do not even need to know the details of what you are going to advertise. lemme sit down and wait while at it.
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Nothing wrong with optimism.I see natami as a proper successor to the amiga.Ive read tons of the old threads here and i like the natami teams spirit to revive the amiga if even in a modest fashion.I look forward to promoting it in whatever small way i can.Im a classic amiga fan and hyperion or amiga inc/cusa doesen't interest me.Have a good night wawa Tk.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1828
27 Mar 2012 02:50
| wawa tk wrote:
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adrian browne wrote:
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we have a chance to create a more closely knitted and productive amiga orientated community.
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all alone you will have no chance to do anything, even together i dont see much coming out of that anymore. there is barely anyone productive and skilled left at present. but who wants to split and sweep his own backyard, should go ahead.
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wawa tk wrote:
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sounds like you might be interested in os4. there you can go be optimistic and do not even need to know the details of what you are going to advertise. lemme sit down and wait while at it.
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The point isn't if it's an "opinion" you have or "in a poll, wawa tk is telling 'The Truth'", but I'd like to know, why are you here, man?In fact, everywhere you post, it's all "the sky is falling". You work for iApple or win(lose)?
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
27 Mar 2012 09:12
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In fact, everywhere you post, it's all "the sky is falling". You work for iApple or win(lose)?
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so why dont you go and correct me where i post that?
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 782
27 Mar 2012 09:18
| Wawa I saw a discussion where someone said he was successful because he was optimistic. Pessimists will always fail. If you go around and tell everyone that we are doomed (and the world will collapse at the end of the year anyway :-) ) it does not really improve the situation ( and the mood )
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
27 Mar 2012 09:50
| what i have commented on was an idea to split the scene even more and try to make people gather around yet another product with yet smaller user base. im even concerned about aros68k in this respect, which as you know im supporter of to certain extent, trying to motivate the maximum (bidirectional) compatibility between aros and aos on 68k.
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