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Hardware Assembly Youtube Commercial (Amiga Co.)
Jorge Manuel Leal Ruivo
Germany

Posts 82
27 Jun 2011 07:02


Watch here:
 
  EXTERNAL LINK 
  Maybe they would build the Natami Cheap! Dunno!

EXTERNAL LINK 
Hey the Company's Name is Amiga Electronics PTY Ltd. ;-)

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3976
27 Jun 2011 08:13


jorge nice link and video, the problem is that there is very little one can hand solder on a modern board.(PCB melts due to heat)
Second problem is i only saw a conventional production if you take a look at the natami's mug shot you will see it's a full SMD board. :/

Jorge Manuel Leal Ruivo
Germany

Posts 82
27 Jun 2011 08:19


Well to be honest I am a Hardware AND Software Dummie.. I just thought they could produce Mainboards... maybe The Team could check it via a Phone call if they could produce the NatAmi.. Asking is for free! Hey they call themselves Amiga Electronics.. they would be proud and passionate to produce the NatAmi! ;-)
         
          I was just trying to put 5 cents to the Development!
         
          Sorry *lol*
        P.S.:
        The Website says they can do SMD also, watch here : EXTERNAL LINK     
    P:P.S. Hope they are not busted!
 
  Or maybe they are Pirates who want to steal the NatAmi Design *rofl*
 
  P.P.P.S: If I had found a better link I would have posted it! ;-)

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3976
27 Jun 2011 08:58


Jorge it would be truly something if all of us here did something in either of those lines of work.

SMD can be hand soldered, but it's not pretty, I assume they have a proto oven, or send it to somewhere they can do SMD.

Jorge even if this will not end in a place to produce the Natami I am very sure Thomas Hirsch like this sort of information.

Well this are some places i know of where they can produce electronics.

EXTERNAL LINK  EXTERNAL LINK 
I still work at the latter link, but my boss isn't fan of the BGA footprints since it's placing is more critical then other footprints.(take a guess what footprint some of the Natami chips has)

But to be honest Jorge I am pretty sure Thomas Hirsch already has a Production plant he contacted.

Jorge Manuel Leal Ruivo
Germany

Posts 82
27 Jun 2011 09:20


Marcel, maybe I was kind of naive when I put that information in here.

I just liked the Idea that a Company called Amiga Electronics would produce the NatAmi! *smile* Thomas Hirsch surely has a bigger overview than anybody else.. I just hoped I could also contribute to the nice and great thing happening here! ;-)

Thomas Hirsch
Germany
(MX-Board Owner)
Posts 647
27 Jun 2011 11:33


Yes, it is a really nice idea!

But... for now, they are too far away.

Alan Haynes
Australia

Posts 74
28 Jun 2011 07:11


Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!
 
  They are about 5k's from my home and I have never heard of them.
 
  I will go and check them out before the end of this week and I am very interested to know why they call themselves Amiga Electronics.
  There you go it won't even cost you a phone call.
 
  Cheers from Oz

Chuck T
USA

Posts 678
30 Jun 2011 01:52


They have a nice name but I didn't see any mention of using nitrogen to remove oxygen so that there wouldn't be any oxidation during the soldering process.  Oxidation would hamper having a good solder joint for years to come.


Team Chaos Leader
USA
(Moderator)
Posts 2094
30 Jun 2011 04:23


Alan Haynes wrote:

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!
 
  They are about 5k's from my home and I have never heard of them.
 
  I will go and check them out before the end of this week and I am very interested to know why they call themselves Amiga Electronics.
  There you go it won't even cost you a phone call.
 
  Cheers from Oz

I look forward to your undercover investigation report.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3976
30 Jun 2011 08:10


Chuck T wrote:

They have a nice name but I didn't see any mention of using nitrogen to remove oxygen so that there wouldn't be any oxidation during the soldering process.  Oxidation would hamper having a good solder joint for years to come.

With the old lead containing tin or the newer lead free tin?

Fabian Nunez
USA

Posts 312
30 Jun 2011 10:48


Team Chaos Leader wrote:

 
Alan Haynes wrote:

  Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!
   
    They are about 5k's from my home and I have never heard of them.
   
    I will go and check them out before the end of this week and I am very interested to know why they call themselves Amiga Electronics.
    There you go it won't even cost you a phone call.
   
    Cheers from Oz
 

  I look forward to your undercover investigation report.
 

 
  If you look at the bottom of their "Home" tab you'll see this:
 
  "Disclaimer: Amiga Electronics Pty Ltd is  an Australian Company primarilly involved with contract electronic manufacturing. It is in no way associated with Amiga Inc. Any similarities in the companies is purely coincidental."
 
  I suspect they may have already been asked :P
 

Sascha B
Germany

Posts 131
30 Jun 2011 15:52


Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

  jorge nice link and video, the problem is that there is very little one can hand solder on a modern board.(PCB melts due to heat)
 

Thats not true. I do this all over the day and never got a molten PCB. In fact many components can be soldered only by hand, with normal soldering iron at 380°C for lead-free solder.
 
I found this video a bit silly...
Sitting in a black non-EPA labled suite at a desk and solder/test some boards. First its very uncomfortable and secondly its not ESD conform :)

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3976
30 Jun 2011 18:04


Sascha I solder all day long on new boards too, what melts is the masking if not done with care.(old PCB's have less trouble with this)

Sasha even at lower temperatures you can solder lead-free, at 380 degrees i solder Aluminum PCB's with lead-free tin.


Chuck T
USA

Posts 678
30 Jun 2011 19:49


Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

Chuck T wrote:

  They have a nice name but I didn't see any mention of using nitrogen to remove oxygen so that there wouldn't be any oxidation during the soldering process.  Oxidation would hamper having a good solder joint for years to come.
 

 
  With the old lead containing tin or the newer lead free tin?

I imagine it is ROHS so they can sell it overseas.

EXTERNAL LINK 
It is an ACE Protech Selective Solder Machine (KISS 102.

According to Matt, 'Nitrogen prevents solder "bridging" and displaces oxygen which minimizes oxidation of the soldered joint. Without it, the joints look pretty awful.'

http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?131912-Parallax-s-New-Selective-Solder-Machine&p=1003706&viewfull=1#post1003706

Chuck T
USA

Posts 678
01 Jul 2011 03:58


Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

Chuck T wrote:

  They have a nice name but I didn't see any mention of using nitrogen to remove oxygen so that there wouldn't be any oxidation during the soldering process.  Oxidation would hamper having a good solder joint for years to come.
 

 
  With the old lead containing tin or the newer lead free tin?

I found the video demonstrating how the machine works:

http://www.ace-protech.com/videos/New%20KISS-102%20for%20website%20(1-09).wmv

Their products are here:

EXTERNAL LINK 
The machine can be leased for $1,400 a month if you don't want to buy it but this is very expensive and can only be afforded by large companies that do volume business.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3976
01 Jul 2011 06:37


Chuck T wrote:

Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

 
Chuck T wrote:

  They have a nice name but I didn't see any mention of using nitrogen to remove oxygen so that there wouldn't be any oxidation during the soldering process.  Oxidation would hamper having a good solder joint for years to come.
 

 
  With the old lead containing tin or the newer lead free tin?
 

 
  I found the video demonstrating how the machine works:
 
  http://www.ace-protech.com/videos/New%20KISS-102%20for%20website%20(1-09).wmv
 
  Their products are here:
 
  EXTERNAL LINK 
  The machine can be leased for $1,400 a month if you don't want to buy it but this is very expensive and can only be afforded by large companies that do volume business.

Not that interesting, the way it prevents bridging is by using a slower production process.

Alan Haynes
Australia

Posts 74
01 Jul 2011 22:12


Team Chaos Leader wrote:

  I look forward to your undercover investigation report.
 


 
Well I went yesterday, Friday the 1st July. You would hardly call it undercover though. I walked in and someone came up to me almost straight away to offer service. Very good indeed.

Unfortunately the owner was away in New Zealand so I did not get to ask him personally about why they chose that name.
The person I spoke to explained that they did very little computer work and were generally an Electronics manufacturer. I did not go into details about what they manufactured once he said that.
I did ask why they chose the name Amiga and asked if any of them had used an Amiga computer. I also asked if the boss had used an Amiga in the past or had been involved in their sales/repairs but he did not know.

As far as the name Amiga goes all he could say was that they had to use a small 'a' so as not to conflict with 'Amiga inc'. I did mention that it was strange that the name was chosen as the Spanish word for friend I think is Amigos rather that Amiga. He agreed that it was interesting.
 
I think I will go back sometime and talk with the boss.

You may think this is silly but in our country for someone to have used the name Amiga even with a lower case 'a' they must have heard of the computer so I will dig a little deeper if I can.
 
To sum up though: they would not be suitable for the team purposes at this time.
 
  Cheers from Oz

Evil Igel
Germany

Posts 154
02 Jul 2011 17:51


Alan Haynes wrote:

[...]
  To sum up though: they would not be suitable for the team purposes at this time.
 
  Cheers from Oz

Nevertheless, good work, Agent Haynes! :)

Team Chaos Leader
USA
(Moderator)
Posts 2094
02 Jul 2011 18:16


Alan Haynes wrote:

  The person I spoke to explained that they did very ittle computer work and were generally an Electronics manufacturer. I did not go into details about what they manufactured once he said that.
  I did ask why they chose the name Amiga...

I don't care why they chose the name Amiga.  I am glad that they chose it and that is good enough for me :)

I was wondering what kind of stuff they have manufactured and what things they are interested in manufacturing in the future.

Other than that it was a good report Secret Agent Haynes.

I especially like the way that you hid in plain sight :D
posing as just some curious guy wandering in and asking questions :D

They will never suspect a thing :)



Alan Haynes
Australia

Posts 74
03 Jul 2011 07:31


Yes I agree and thanks I think Ha! Ha!

Next time I am by there I will make some more inquiries.

However from the new post "Number Three" Thomas seems to be doing fine at the moment.

Need some more pics though.

Cheers from Oz

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