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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
14 Mar 2011 14:17
| When you pensions are "cut" to the average wage, you have no right to complain. I should point out that that's 23 grand.
I mean, when your 65+, you should have payed off your mortgage and car, and got a whole lot of savings. Especially if you're a secondary (or above) teacher, because it's not unusual for them to have second homes/etc. Quite a few of my teachers nearing retirement age owned farms, one was a landlord, etc.Whereas if we look to my mother, who's raised three kids and got herself a very nice house. Highest wage she ever earned was 14 grand (yes, adjusted for inflation and stuff).
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Middleton Mike
United Kingdom
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Posts 106
14 Mar 2011 14:42
| That's all fine and dandy but teaching is an incredible profession, I've got huge respect for anyone who goes into the profession and even more for those who go in and work wonders in the profession. They deserve the reward of decent pay. Sure, you might highlight the 13 weeks paid holiday - that is quite cool. But then there's lesson planning, marking, etc. Most teachers I know carry on working until stupid hours of the day doing various things - they don't get overtime. Not all teachers reaching retirement from the current intake will have paid off their mortgage and car and have a whole lot of savings by the time they retire. The generations born in the post-war age had the best social mobility British society has ever witnessed and that's being ebded away, whilst the rich get richer and richer at a faster rate than ever. You'd never be able to buy a house on £14k a year now, you'd struggle on one income double that. Where do you draw the line for your pension cap? Do you agree with Theresa May's axe swinging at the cops pension for instance? I certainly don't. They, along with teachers, will get a miles better pension than me but they deserve it, they performed a hugely important task in our society. If our blessed government put as much effort into making life miserable as they could persuing the tax-dodging companies of these shores and the richest 10% of this country, people like your Mum wouldn't have to have spent a life earning £14,000. If they recouped the other 26% of the 28% corporation tax that Tesco and Arcadia Group owe us there'd be no need for any public sector cuts, or "we're in this together" nonsense. Think about that. Think also, if you set up your own business - perhaps selling the NatAmi for example, and you only paid a nominal amount of the corporation tax you're meant to. You'd be wound up before you could say the words "tax return". And lets not even go there with the banks! Plus, there's nowt to stop you becoming a teacher one day!
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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
14 Mar 2011 15:29
| Middleton Mike wrote:
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That's all fine and dandy but teaching is an incredible profession, I've got huge respect for anyone who goes into the profession and even more for those who go in and work wonders in the profession. They deserve the reward of decent pay. Sure, you might highlight the 13 weeks paid holiday - that is quite cool. But then there's lesson planning, marking, etc. Most teachers I know carry on working until stupid hours of the day doing various things - they don't get overtime. |
Lesson planning is typically done at home in front of the TV, atleast that's what my sister does. It's not really work. Marking is a myth, too. Usually teachers do it when they hear ofsted are coming, or if they haven't been teaching very long.
Middleton Mike wrote:
| | Not all teachers reaching retirement from the current intake will have paid off their mortgage and car and have a whole lot of savings by the time they retire. The generations born in the post-war age had the best social mobility British society has ever witnessed and that's being ebded away, whilst the rich get richer and richer at a faster rate than ever. You'd never be able to buy a house on £14k a year now, you'd struggle on one income double that. |
I don't really see what you have to point to teachers being so penniless that they can't pay off a house. It's a career where they shower money on you for babysitting teenagers/handing out worksheets and then spending the rest of the lesson on the internet/abusing people. Hell, starting wage for a maths teacher in the northwest is 25K, that might as well be a million from where I'm sitting.Oh, and my mother doesn't own a house. It's rented.
Middleton Mike wrote:
| | Where do you draw the line for your pension cap? Do you agree with Theresa May's axe swinging at the cops pension for instance? I certainly don't. They, along with teachers, will get a miles better pension than me but they deserve it, they performed a hugely important task in our society. |
Regarding police pensions: EXTERNAL LINK
Middleton Mike wrote:
| | If our blessed government put as much effort into making life miserable as they could persuing the tax-dodging companies of these shores and the richest 10% of this country, people like your Mum wouldn't have to have spent a life earning £14,000. If they recouped the other 26% of the 28% corporation tax that Tesco and Arcadia Group owe us there'd be no need for any public sector cuts, or "we're in this together" nonsense. Think about that. |
This doesn't really have anything to do with it. My mother ended up in a string of crap jobs because she was a teenage mum, then student, then mum again, then student, then mum, student, and then finally too old to appeal to ageist employers (not many will hire a 55 year old).
Middleton Mike wrote:
| Plus, there's nowt to stop you becoming a teacher one day!
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I hate children and the people who typically become teachers.
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Middleton Mike
United Kingdom
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Posts 106
14 Mar 2011 16:21
| I was going to come out guns ablazing but lets agree to disagree! Teachers and public sector workers are to you what MacOS is to me. Sorry for getting in a rant editors!
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