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Anton Antsnark
Russia
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Posts 143
31 Jan 2011 14:23
| Thierry
I want NatAmi too, but as a comment to your position i want to say:The higher expectations - the stronger disappointment ^_^ What IF the THING is not so wonderfully fast as you expected? (my dream computer - is a bulletproof laptop (with a design like EXTERNAL LINK ) with NatAmi and something ARM-based inside; "No Gates, No Windows, only Apache inside" :) And HW-accelerators for my media (like RAW-images from Olympus and Panasonic; AVCHD h264 FullHD) and editing soft for all this stuff)
Ah, sweat dreams... Not in this universe... Give me another terrestrial globe ^___^
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 17:54
| Anton Antsnark wrote:
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Thierry
I want NatAmi too, but as a comment to your position i want to say:
The higher expectations - the stronger disappointment ^_^
What IF the THING is not so wonderfully fast as you expected?
(my dream computer - is a bulletproof laptop (with a design like EXTERNAL LINK ) with NatAmi and something ARM-based inside; "No Gates, No Windows, only Apache inside" :) And HW-accelerators for my media (like RAW-images from Olympus and Panasonic; AVCHD h264 FullHD) and editing soft for all this stuff)
Ah, sweat dreams... Not in this universe... Give me another terrestrial globe ^___^
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Why you need extra ARM CPU?
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 18:20
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Richard Maudsley wrote:
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You mentioned pagestream.
Theirry, even amiga magazines used macs for DTP.
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Amiga magazines used what the publishers gave them, and they were publishing 10 even 20 other magazines, so they indeed did get Macs.
There was at least one, entirely AMIGA made magazine, and it was high quality. I can't remember which one it was, it wasn't around as long as the others, maybe 3 years or so. It did however have some ads that were done on higher end equipment in there. Like 3 to 6 per issue. Maybe it was a USA mag called "Amiga Computes".
Okay, here it is http://www.magazines.ch/amigamagsusa.htmlin#info
It's from EXTERNAL LINK Cool website. Surprising how many AMIGA websites there still are.
There was also the club made magazine EXTERNAL LINK
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I would use TeX for publishing any newspaper,book or magazine.
Runs great on any platform, including Amiga :)
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 18:21
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JeeBee McJibble wrote:
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/usr/lib/openoffice is 225MB here.
It's what you get when you have an extensive suite of applications, which somehow has 160MB of shared libraries - then again when you fully support so many different things in the name of backward compatibility, there is going to be some bloat - on the hard drive at least.
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Yes, but this is Thierry's computer. There's 402MB of viruses in that folder alone.
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Can you please cure some real virus from your head?
You are agressive to ANYONE here that doesn't accept your opinion.
And opinion that doesn't look like those who want other platform that currently popular ones.
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Flash Lab
Netherlands
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Posts 166
31 Jan 2011 18:24
| WYSIWYG DTP applications weren't invented for nothing, you know. A lot of people would find using LaTeX or any TeX program very awkward to use. And no, Wojtek, these people are not stupid, they just have other demands from the software they use.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 19:11
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WYSIWYG DTP applications weren't invented for nothing, you know. A lot of people would find using LaTeX or any TeX program very awkward to use. And no, Wojtek, these people are not stupid, they just have other demands from the software they use.
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They are not stupid, just didn't spend maybe 2 weeks learning LaTeX, the time that would pay back in AT MOST 2 months when doing DTP 8 hours a day.
The problem is that people believe in "easy way". These are shortcuts, and all shortcuts like "WYSIWYG" results in far more work.
WYSIWYG editors are cool if you want to sometimes write 1-2 page document.
Today lots of even books are made with M$ Word. This is funny, not only because of low quality but really hard work needed to prepare large document using it.
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Anton Antsnark
Russia
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Posts 143
31 Jan 2011 19:15
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Why you need extra ARM CPU?
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Why not?
It is the way to run Linux (with more or less appropriate speed and software missing on Amiga-platform, such as DjVu-reader/Editor for example; or RAW-editor; or GIMP) and also some kind of backup for NatAmi ^_^something like EXTERNAL LINK Or like PandaBoard
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Flash Lab
Netherlands
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Posts 166
31 Jan 2011 19:34
| Well, I made a book a few years back with QuarkXPress and later on I used InDesign for a few reports. For my work I needed a lot of graphical lay out too and I would never have used LaTeX for that. But I agree that for mostly text layout LaTeX can be very useful.
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Anton Antsnark
Russia
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Posts 143
31 Jan 2011 19:46
| i use LyX as my main text-processor. From 2003.
TeX/LaTeX is too complicated for my purposes. It is more like programming language, in the wild view :) (i mean when you launch int from BASH)
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 19:53
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Well, I made a book a few years back with QuarkXPress and later on I used InDesign for a few reports. For my work I needed a lot of graphical lay out too and I would never have used LaTeX for that.
But I agree that for mostly text layout LaTeX can be very useful.
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i don't say you have to do ALL in LaTeX. LaTeX is great to in putting ready to use postscript fragments into your document.Unless your publication is not random-style put images, latex will be better. WYSIWYG programs can be good when you don't layout with normal styles but just want to put somehow and look if it looks cool.
Many today marketing advert style documents are really bad target for LaTeX. I personally don't do DTP for money, except rarely writing documentation. But when i do it exactly do what other products are advertised for: "Concentrate on your work, not on typesetting details!" That's exactly how it works. For what i do use latex is a backend tool for my business programs - to make VERY GOOD printouts. I can manually make a form test it and then use it in my program, just putting data where it's needed. Properly formatted tables, properly wrapped words, excellent typeface etc. etc.. it's doing it all for me, i just give a command what to be done. Not HOW it should be done. I can concetrate on my work, not typesetting details.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 19:54
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Wojtek P wrote:
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Why you need extra ARM CPU?
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Why not?
It is the way to run Linux (with more or less appropriate speed |
Use text mode terminal (telnet,ssh) or X11 server to connect to existing unix machine and run these programs there.
Much better solution.
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Anton Antsnark
Russia
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Posts 143
31 Jan 2011 20:29
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Anton Antsnark wrote:
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Wojtek P wrote:
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Why you need extra ARM CPU?
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Why not?
It is the way to run Linux (with more or less appropriate speed |
Use text mode terminal (telnet,ssh) or X11 server to connect to existing unix machine and run these programs there.
Much better solution.
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it may be done in my dream-machine. Only inside one case, not two separate boxes :)
Anyway i want to make two boards portable computer with KVM switch (plus internal ethernet connection ^_^ )
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jan 2011 20:54
| Anton Antsnark wrote:
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Wojtek P wrote:
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Anton Antsnark wrote:
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Wojtek P wrote:
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Why you need extra ARM CPU?
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Why not?
It is the way to run Linux (with more or less appropriate speed |
Use text mode terminal (telnet,ssh) or X11 server to connect to existing unix machine and run these programs there.
Much better solution.
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it may be done in my dream-machine. Only inside one case, not two separate boxes :)
Anyway i want to make two boards portable computer with KVM switch (plus internal ethernet connection ^_^ )
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What is really wrong to work remotely for you?
In days when 10Mbit/s downstream or more is quite NORMAL connectivity???
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
01 Feb 2011 04:10
| Anton Antsnark wrote:
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Thierry
I want NatAmi too, but as a comment to your position i want to say:
The higher expectations - the stronger disappointment ^_^
What IF the THING is not so wonderfully fast as you expected? |
Hi Anton,Always a possibility! HOWEVER, I have always contended that AMIGA was a small taste of what AMIGA really was all about.... I always thought of it as a PROTOTYPE of the FULL GROWN Amiga to be!!!! And now I see it as the NatAmi, and the NatAmi II, the ASIC model! Anton Antsnark wrote:
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(my dream computer - is a bulletproof laptop (with a design like EXTERNAL LINK ) with NatAmi and something ARM-based inside; "No Gates, No Windows, only Apache inside" :) And HW-accelerators for my media (like RAW-images from Olympus and Panasonic; AVCHD h264 FullHD) and editing soft for all this stuff)
Ah, sweat dreams... Not in this universe... Give me another terrestrial globe ^___^ |
That computer *cough*16000*cough* looked pretty neato!
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Anton Antsnark
Russia
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Posts 143
01 Feb 2011 08:19
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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Anton Antsnark wrote:
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(my dream computer - is a bulletproof laptop (with a design like EXTERNAL LINK ) with NatAmi and something ARM-based inside
Ah, sweat dreams... Not in this universe... Give me another terrestrial globe ^___^ |
That computer *cough*16000*cough* looked pretty neato!
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well, you see, i like the CONCEPTION of such a design. Big compartment for powersource, really handy place for USB-devices and flash-cards.
Usually i must to work "on the go", and such a device may be useful to replace my netbook and laptop ^_^ Especially if working CMS will be available. The functionality of existing *NIX software almost enough for my needs (esp. i like PhotoLine32 raster-editor, i launch it through WINE)
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
10 Feb 2011 00:18
| I hope you get one like that one day, Anton. Okay, so I'm using Google Chrome, and one of the windows has 16 tabs open, and it's using SIX HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX THOUSAND KILOBYTES OF RAM!!!!!! But that's okay, because, you know, RAM is $30 a Gig.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
10 Feb 2011 10:29
| Anton Antsnark wrote:
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i use LyX as my main text-processor. From 2003.
TeX/LaTeX is too complicated for my purposes. It is more like programming language, in the wild view :) (i mean when you launch int from BASH)
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LyX actually is latex frontend. You actually can mix things made with "point and click" way and with directly written latex statement.
it's really useful program.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
10 Feb 2011 10:31
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
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I hope you get one like that one day, Anton.
Okay, so I'm using Google Chrome, and one of the windows has 16 tabs open, and it's using SIX HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX THOUSAND KILOBYTES OF RAM!!!!!!
But that's okay, because, you know, RAM is $30 a Gig.
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Nobody forces you to use google chrome. anyway it's OT - it's not amiga related at all.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
10 Feb 2011 14:47
| Why i think we all need the Natami, we need a easier alternative that could do most basic task with ease and little overhead.
It doesn't need to be better just different, it needs to be able to be used as a editor.(ed does this since 1.3?)
We need to have a low foot print browser, no full java or flash, just HTML and PHP able.(keeping nearly nothing in memory)
This is it for software as for hardware i feel like we need a highly parallel machine that would do multitasking in the hardware and much less rely on the power of the CPU then a common 'modern' machine does.
DMA Channels fits this profile near perfectly.
To be honest to the original creators of the Amiga the team should only have one question that is crystal clear to me.
How would you build the Amiga if you would build it now with modern technology.
To me it's somewhat two sided.
We wouldn't have HAM I'd doubt we would have sprites, i doubt we would have a floppy controller the likes as the Amiga had.
But we would have gotten other great and not so great things in return.
it would be different, different isn't always better.
The current Natami team got the right intend like the amiga team did at it's time, they are building a machine they want to have on their desk.
this doesn't make it directly perfect for things i have in mind to do with it but it does come close.(LX is closer to my goal as the MX)
Why the Natami is attractive to me as a machine is it's intend.
The intend is to be as compatible with the real classics as they can bit wise, and still expand.edit I might use the board as a controller for a model train track.
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JeeBee McJibble
United Kingdom
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Posts 85
10 Feb 2011 18:42
| Do about:memory in Chrome, and you'll probably find that Adobe Flash is eating most of that RAM.
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