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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
01 Jan 2011 16:49
| Because with an AMIGA "playing around" means sometimes not just games, i just tried to go online with my A1200 (68030/50) :-) I know it would be a terrible slow hell without a Graphic Card or a faster CPU (and just 16 MB fastram) but anyway... :-) I am using a 3com Network-Card via PCMCIA and after installing the device and Miami (and do a software-fix for the Gayle-Reset-Bug on A1200) it works ... ALMOST! I connectet the Card via LANcable with my FritzBox (WLAN-DSL-Router) and Miami is connecting my Ami with it over a static IP-Adress.
BUT i am not able to connect with a DNS-Server, so i cannot reach any web-adresses.
I dont know if the DNS-Settings are the problem or something else but whatever i try, no DNS-server is working. Even its a verified and (via PC) reachable Server! Have someone here maybe experience with Server/Network-Settings in Miami? My provider is "1&1", it seems that i dont have do define a DNS-Server when i go online with my Laptop (Linux) but my Amiga is asking for one... And second question: what program should i use when i will exchange Files between my Ami and the Peeeceee? Happy New Year everyone!
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
01 Jan 2011 17:02
| Evil Igel wrote:
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My provider is "1&1", it seems that i dont have do define a DNS-Server when i go online with my Laptop (Linux) but my Amiga is asking for one...
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You can't have working name resolution without DNS. You may be given DNS IPs by DHCP. if you can't do this from amiga, look what DNS you get in linux by doingcat /etc/resolv.conf and then use that.
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Sascha B
Germany
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Posts 131
02 Jan 2011 02:16
| The common DNS would be the address of your FritzBox LAN IP.
Those router have an internal DNS forwarding to the external given ISP address.Actually I dont know Miami very well... I prefer Genesis IP stack but in general it should work also as Wojtek suggest.
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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
02 Jan 2011 17:27
| Thanks for your help, now i am a step further to the net ... so damn close :-D I followed this procedure (in german):
EXTERNAL LINK
Here a shot from the two Interfaces i installed in Miami: The first is the ethernet and the second for the PPPoE. The Settings for the ethernet: But there seems to be another problem then the DNS-Server (thanks for the Console-command, i entered this server). In the TCP/IP-Settings i am unable to check the Boxes for the Gateway and other stuff. So i guess that prevents me to connect the LAN with the PPPoE-Dail-out or something... dont know if its necessary: After i connected the Ethernet Interface i try to go online with the PPPoE but what happend is this: My knowledge in deeper online-connection-setting-wisdom (espacially on AMIGA!) is pending between noob and DAU, so please help me (the HELP-Key dont wanna) :-D
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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
02 Jan 2011 17:29
| Thanks for your help, now i am a step further to the net ... so damn close :-D I followed this procedure (in german):
EXTERNAL LINK
Here a shot from the two Interfaces i installed in Miami:
EXTERNAL LINK
The first is the ethernet and the second for the PPPoE. The Settings for the ethernet: EXTERNAL LINK
But there seems to be another problem then the DNS-Server (thanks for the Console-command, i entered this server). In the TCP/IP-Settings i am unable to check the Boxes for the Gateway and other stuff. So i guess that prevents me to connect the LAN with the PPPoE-Dail-out or something... dont know if its necessary: EXTERNAL LINK
After i connected the Ethernet Interface i try to go online with the PPPoE but what happend is this: EXTERNAL LINK
EXTERNAL LINK
EXTERNAL LINK
My knowledge in deeper online-connection-setting-wisdom (espacially on AMIGA!) is pending between noob and DAU, so please help me (the HELP-Key dont wanna) :-D
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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
02 Jan 2011 17:32
| Sorry for the double-post, it was the edit-buttons fault :)
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Team Chaos Leader
USA
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Posts 2094
02 Jan 2011 18:05
| Miami cannot do PPPoE unless u r a high level mage and discovered a secret trick or something. Miami Deluxe can do PPPoE. I had my A1200 on DSL internet for years with plain old Miami.
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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
02 Jan 2011 18:43
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Miami cannot do PPPoE unless u r a high level mage and discovered a secret trick or something.
Miami Deluxe can do PPPoE.
I had my A1200 on DSL internet for years with plain old Miami.
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I use Miami DX and there is an option for PPPoE but do i need this at all for DSL?
I am sure that i made a silly mistake in configuring Miami but i dont know where...?
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Team Chaos Leader
USA
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Posts 2094
02 Jan 2011 18:53
| You must ask your ISP if they use PPPoE or not. Some DSL ISPs use it while others do not. I have had both. Your ISP should have given you some DNS servers to use. That is just basic standard information that an ISP gives to its customers. I once had an ISP that either did not give me DNS servers or they gave me broken ones, I can't recall. Anyway I just used the DNS servers from my old ISP and they worked fine.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
02 Jan 2011 18:55
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You must ask your ISP if they use PPPoE or not. Some DSL ISPs use it while others do not. I have had both.
Your ISP should have given you some DNS servers to use. |
He says he have fritzbox router - so if there is PPPoE then it's already decapsulated by that router.
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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
02 Jan 2011 19:06
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Team Chaos Leader wrote:
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You must ask your ISP if they use PPPoE or not. Some DSL ISPs use it while others do not. I have had both.
Your ISP should have given you some DNS servers to use.
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He says he have fritzbox router - so if there is PPPoE then it's already decapsulated by that router.
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So that meens i dont have to configure a PPPoE at all?
In the meanwhile i dont think that the DNS-Server is the problem - it works fine in my PeeCee-configuration.
Also it seems, everything (DNS, PPPoE) is happend "in the Router" and it should work, when i just call it via LAN-Cable... but how?
There is not much to set and see in the simple configuration of my PeeCee connection:
EXTERNAL LINK
It should work with "just" DHCP, cause my laptop dont seem to give the Fritz any IPs... But when i set Miamis Ethernet-Interface to DHCP, it says, it is not reachable... grrrredit:
From PeeCee i reach the Fritz over WLAN, from the Ami over LAN-cable... dont know if this is important
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Team Chaos Leader
USA
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Posts 2094
02 Jan 2011 19:39
| Do u have a DSL modem and a router? Or are they combined together into the same box?
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
02 Jan 2011 19:44
| your router should have a static internal IP address, for your practical use you should use the router for a local DNS, and let the router connect to the DSL DNS servers of your ISP. If you can connect your amiga to your router There is another problem. It is hateful but ISP don't give support to people with none standard gear.
Mine even gives a list of routers i could use and a list of OS's.
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
02 Jan 2011 21:21
| Today with Genesis wizard:
1: Select network
2: Select driver from DEVS:Networks/ (in my case 3c589.deviceSet IP to 192.168.1.55 (I selected 55 randomly, other comps at home are DHCP) I put address of my home router: 192.168.1.1 ad mask 255.255.255.0 (it isu used as default gateway) after that wizard asks for DNS, these are my ISP dnses: EXTERNAL LINK
85.114.32.7 (use only one) Internet works. I hope this helps.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
02 Jan 2011 21:29
| amiga ppc wrote:
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Today with Genesis wizard:
1: Select network
2: Select driver from DEVS:Networks/ (in my case 3c589.device
Set IP to 192.168.1.55 (I selected 55 randomly, other comps at home are DHCP)
I put address of my home router: 192.168.1.1 ad mask 255.255.255.0 (it isu used as default gateway)
after that wizard asks for DNS, these are my ISP dnses: EXTERNAL LINK
85.114.32.7 (use only one)
Internet works. I hope this helps.
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If you have router most probably your router is a DNS itself so put 192.168.1.1 and you will get faster DNS as it caches queries.
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
02 Jan 2011 21:45
| There was some problems with resolving so I pointed it to ISP DNS. EDIT: I entered router address as DNS (192.168.1.1) and it works OK now. Tnx for hint.
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
02 Jan 2011 21:59
| BTW, here is one post from my Amiga1200. Till I wait for Natami. :)
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
02 Jan 2011 22:15
| amiga ppc wrote:
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BTW, here is one post from my Amiga1200. Till I wait for Natami.
:)
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Every normal DHCP server have a range option - you specify from what range it allocates IP addresses.
Your router most probably allow setting it from option. set it to say 200-254 and you have every address below 200 never allocated by DHCP - use them for statically assigned devices without risking a conflict.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
03 Jan 2011 11:32
| Evil Igel wrote:
| | So that meens i dont have to configure a PPPoE at all?
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No. Anyway how did you configured it under linux.
Your problem is that you have linux and use it like windows. This way it's even worse than windows. You don't know completely what is going on.
If you use unix-like system use it as unix. Learn a bit and then become conscious computer user.
run under linux
cat /etc/resolv.conf
to get your DNS address.
Also it seems, everything (DNS, PPPoE) is happend "in the Router" and it should work, when i just call it via LAN-Cable... but how?
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Normally. Use your router IP as DNS.
You now have great example why using windows-style bloated "automatic" software is bad. You don't really know what happened under linux when you configured things.
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Evil Igel
Germany
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Posts 154
03 Jan 2011 15:25
| Wojtek P wrote:
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You now have great example why using windows-style bloated "automatic" software is bad. You don't really know what happened under linux when you configured things.
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Indeed!
In the old 56k-Modem-times i was almost the only one around here, who uses a plain DFÜ-Connection instead of the bloated and enoying Provider-Software and nowadays... i just have to enter a "Start-Code" in the menu, that i reach over the Router-IP via my Browser and everything is there - easy, but it not prepared me for the real life (AMIGA :-)) ... Like Navigation-Systems! Everyone is finding his destination but no one knows where it is actually :-D I will try genesis with my Router-IP later and report....! Thanks, Guys!
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