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Leon Brown
United Kingdom
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Posts 43
31 Jul 2010 14:23
| I e-mailed the Natami team previously about a proposal for a collaboration to integrate cloud computing features within Natami, but got no reply - I've just e-mailed again and was wondering if Thomas or Gunnar could confirm if you have received my e-mail?
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
31 Jul 2010 17:34
| Just another "trendy" thing?
Just use windows and go away devil!
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One Thousand
USA
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Posts 832
31 Jul 2010 18:36
| I know nothing about the email. But like the web browsers, email, word processing, or other trendy things are often quite useful. Being on top of things like this can make the Natami experience be better. Thanks!
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
31 Jul 2010 19:14
| Leon Brown wrote:
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I e-mailed the Natami team previously about a proposal for a collaboration to integrate cloud computing features within Natami, but got no reply - I've just e-mailed again and was wondering if Thomas or Gunnar could confirm if you have received my e-mail?
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Sorry, I fail to see the relevance of cloud computing for Natami. It's a small hobbyist computer system that aims at re-implementing Amiga hardware; the Os, and the system design lack features that are important for cloud computing (network stack, robustness), and I don't quite see why you would use a Natami for that.Greetings from Newark, Thomas (R., not H.)
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3977
31 Jul 2010 20:34
| @thomas I agree i fail to see the connection. Cloud computing is just another buzz word to get people to do stuff in another manner.
And it is related to mainframes of the old day and the internet we have today. Come on Software as service? Bugger off!
The service has been selling software packages to people.
Who needs to go back to the timeshare systems?
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One Thousand
USA
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Posts 832
31 Jul 2010 23:02
| But you guys have no idea what the proposal is. Neither do I. So of course you fail to see the connection. You base it all on your personal assumptions afraid of anyone making any kind of progress. Is it not a bit early to say "no" before you have even heard the idea? Why not try asking the man first?
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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
31 Jul 2010 23:05
| I'll pledge my support for cloud computing if it means I get to use a green monochome wyse terminal that goes beep again. Come to think of it, does anyone know how to use one of those old terminals on a modern pc? To be honest, I don't think using the natami for cloud computing is very sensible. They are two very different concepts.
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
31 Jul 2010 23:34
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Come to think of it, does anyone know how to use one of those old terminals on a modern pc?
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Sure, just connect them via RS232 to your Unix-compatible box and open a terminal on the port with getty.
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Chuck T
USA
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Posts 678
01 Aug 2010 01:33
| My thoughts on cloud computing: There is no such thing as a free lunch. Google and other services have been for free so far but how long can companies keep giving services away for free? Then there are the cash starved democrats in my country that see money that they can't spend and they want to tax the internet and make it not free. I have thumb drives. I have SD cards. I have a portable hard drive. I can always use these without the internet and I stick a thumbdrive in my quarter jeans pocket. What do I need cloud computing for? When I'm dependent on a service and it disappears, what will I do? I'm stuck. It is better to be independent. I value my privacy so if I use the cloud then there may be some sort of compromise of my privacy which I don't want. Electric prices are going up next year so I'll be off the net if possible. How much would I be willing to pay for cloud computing? Nothing. I'm cheap and don't have money.
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Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom
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Posts 821
01 Aug 2010 02:08
| André Jernung wrote:
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Sigmund Freud wrote:
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Come to think of it, does anyone know how to use one of those old terminals on a modern pc?
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Sure, just connect them via RS232 to your Unix-compatible box and open a terminal on the port with getty.
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I didn't know it was that easy. ta mate. Chuck, wether or not they can keep giving services away for free depends on how much adverts they can fit in a page, another reason why I don't want it. I hate web adverts, click thing, listen to the annoying noise, get distracted by the flashy colours. No thanks.
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Thomas Richter
Germany
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Posts 1425
01 Aug 2010 03:58
| One Thousand wrote:
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But you guys have no idea what the proposal is. Neither do I. So of course you fail to see the connection. You base it all on your personal assumptions afraid of anyone making any kind of progress. Is it not a bit early to say "no" before you have even heard the idea? Why not try asking the man first?
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Cloud computing does have a specific meaning, namely that your computations aren't (necessarily) performed on the local machine, but on a network of computers connected to the internet. If the OP doesn't mean that, then he shouldn't call it "cloud computing". If he does mean that, then this is not the kind of thing the Natami should be good for; it's not designed for such a job, read "permanent network connection", which is a prequisite for cloud computing, and having a task that makes sense to compute in a cloud - which is not really the case here either.Unlike what other posters said, it does not necessarily mean that you're working only on a terminal, though. Greetings from San Diego, Thomas
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One Thousand
USA
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Posts 832
01 Aug 2010 04:37
| Exactly my point. Everyone has their own assumptions of what the guy means. You have one definition, while everyone else has theirs. Perhaps he used the term wrongly. Perhaps he meant what you meant, Thomas. And even with that, he may have a good idea or not. But until he explains, it is all just assuming. It does not help that you shoot it down while giving your meaning, because it is not your idea. The only one who can give the meaning is the one who suggested it.
Now do not get me wrong, I am not saying I am for or against what he proposes. I just think there ought to be an explanation before the idea is shot down.
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Istvan Szekeres
Hungary
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Posts 60
01 Aug 2010 10:15
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Just another "trendy" thing?
Just use windows and go away devil!
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Wojtek P is the best!
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Amiga Wolf
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Posts 12
01 Aug 2010 13:17
| A silent, cool running, low power device like Natami is exactly the kind of system suited to an always-on-network. Optional cloud computing needn't compromise standalone capability. If some users have idle processor time going spare, why not harness it to boost any number of tasks a single Natami might struggle with. It would also be cool if our machine delivered on the promise of distributed computing despite the "transputer heritage" of some Amiga wanabees.
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Leon Brown
United Kingdom
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Posts 43
01 Aug 2010 13:27
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Just another "trendy" thing?
Just use windows and go away devil!
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Jeez, thanks for all your comments guys! For the record, I stay away from Windows as much as I can and mainly use OS X for my work - plus I've been following this project since the beginning and have been an Amiga user since '96. If this is the attitude of the Amiga community these days, I see a real problem for the future of the platform in attracting new software developers. You know what they say about software selling the hardware.As for cloud computing having no place on Natami, good luck in sending your e-mails, using forums, downloading softare and social networking without the cloud ;-).
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
01 Aug 2010 13:31
| Leon Brown wrote:
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As for cloud computing having no place on Natami, good luck in sending your e-mails, using forums, downloading softare and social networking without the cloud ;-).
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Oh, so your definition of cloud computing is being capable of the same thing as dialup BBS:es were in the 1980's? Then it is very broad, and Natami could most certainly do "cloud computing".
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Leon Brown
United Kingdom
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Posts 43
01 Aug 2010 13:46
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Leon Brown wrote:
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As for cloud computing having no place on Natami, good luck in sending your e-mails, using forums, downloading softare and social networking without the cloud ;-).
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Oh, so your definition of cloud computing is being capable of the same thing as dialup BBS:es were in the 1980's? Then it is very broad, and Natami could most certainly do "cloud computing".
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Cloud computing is nothing new - like Web2.0, it's only a term that has recently been coined to define the concept of computing that makes use of online storage and processing - note the bit that is 'makes use of' and not 'all about using'. Times have moved on since the days of the server/terminal approach - today's approach enables the ability to have your software and information to be stored and executed both online in the cloud and locally on your computer, hence you can still run your cloud based software when you don't have an Internet connection and then have your data sychronised when you are next online, hence allowing you to access your most updated information at all times regardless of whether you are using your Natami, phone or other Internet enabled device.
Back to my original point, I've developed a system that it would be interesting to speak to the Natami team about - however, with the posts submitted I'm thinking it would be better to contribute to other communities where my work would be more appreciated.
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Carl Gustaf Folke Hubert
Sweden
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Posts 35
01 Aug 2010 14:20
| It seems that people here don't want any new software.
All software made after 1994 is evil.
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Leon Brown
United Kingdom
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Posts 43
01 Aug 2010 14:24
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It seems that people here don't want any new software.
All software made after 1994 is evil.
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Damn, my software must be really evil - I only started on it 3 years ago!
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
01 Aug 2010 14:32
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@thomas I agree i fail to see the connection.
Cloud computing is just another buzz word to get people to do stuff in another manner.
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Actually it's not really defined at all - just like "Web 2.0"
Pure marketing buzz.
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