....update
tried old cruddy version of OWB 68k. No luck in UAE. Seems to require AmiTCP (according to snoop dos). I have not known AmiTCP to get along with how UAE interfaces with base OS networking. I do not know if it is even worth trying on my real amiga that does have amitcp because it does not meet memory requirements. All of these newer browsers like lots of ram. Not like Ibrowse which is quite thrifty, and I suppose Aweb too.

seeing various problems with Netsurf 68K. Freezes during form type entry operations, like posting to Natami Forum.... There are other little things as well so it looks like these guys have a little polishing to do yet.

Not sure this is right but it seems like many web sites out there using java aspects thus AWeb and IBrowse would always be screwed in these situations. Not sure how OWB or Netsurf handle this. Stupid Java.....
 
 
 

Aweb seems too really death now, no response from the main dev, sites offline.
But AWeb is still open source. What it need is newer stable javascript support and css. The Problem is there seem no intrested developers. For me this project is to big, i make some simply modification but i have no knowledge about javascript, css or how to fit it into the source.

Agreed. The question is...is it realistically feasible to go after a native chipset capable browser? A catch 22 by not having easier RTG route. What would expert programmers have to say here?

A good web-browser is today certainly the most important application.
Bundling AWEB wpould be on option.
AWEB would allow easy acces to the most important websites at lest. (AMINET and NATAMI.net) And a well configured AWEB renders at least the NATAMI Website and its Forum 100% correctly. :-)

OWB or Netsurf might become good alternatives too.
I've little experience with them but I assumethat they have still room for tuning and enhancing for AOS.

AWeb? Are you serious? AWeb is crap.

A good CSS-capable web browser is the one critical application needed for Natami to be useful as a "modern" Amiga. I assumed some people on the Natami Team were actively working on a new or updated browser. If that hasn't even been started yet, I am very, VERY disappointed.

Get the priorities straight! Why work on stupid games when you don't even have a web browser?!

But games are fun... Right?

Yes... but since Natami will be able to run the 5000 or so existing Amiga games, new games can certainly wait. An updated browser is urgently required.

This has been my conclusion after a day of playing around with these things. Again, Netsurf the best I have seen yet in 68K but no java, resource greedy, and tied to RTG video. So for starters; from a coding standpoint, what would be required to adapt Netsurf to run on AGA or Natami improved AGA? I understand that java a different animal altogether....

CSS and XML seem like they are in every modern web browser these days. Netsurf already CSS. Many browsers also support XML. This is interesting because 'Feelin' is a system that does both. As far as I know, nobody has really developed with 'Feelin'. So would this be useful? EXTERNAL LINK 

I would not adapt it at all. RTG is fine.

S-AGA has chunky support which means getting CyberGFX or Picasso natively running on S-AGA will be easy.

Uh... no... I didn't know that. AWeb is... uh... good. ;) (...seriously though, I only mean it's comparatively crap... compared to "modern" browsers)

In that case, I am surprised that development on AWeb has stopped. I would have thought that you, being an AWeb developer, would have been working hard updating it for use on Natami. YEARS have been wasted. Even if somebody starts programming/updating a browser now, it'll take a year or two to get something decent.

Having a reasonably good browser on Natami for its release would have pushed it beyond just a "retro hobby toy" to something actually useful for daily use. Think about how this would increase Natami sales. If you take a look on the "alternative OS" forums, people interested in this sort of thing always ask, "Does it have a decent web-browser?"

If you say, "it has a browser... but it doesn't do CSS... and Javascript doesn't work properly... and it's actually a 10-year-old browser that isn't being developed anymore" they will certainly lose interest. Think about it - all you need is a good browser and Natami will be able to use Google Docs - and there you have a complete up-to-date Office Suite. Then you can say, "Yes, Natami has a good browser. Yes, Natami can open/edit all the latest Microsoft Office files. Yes, Natami can do almost everything a modern computer can do." (...that last one is a bit of a cheat ;)

Is Natami just going to be a retro games machine? I thought the purpose of Natami was to be an updated Amiga. Amiga was NOT a games machine. It was a computer that just happened to be extremely good for games. Pushing the Natami's gaming capabilities without having a decent browser (or any other modern software) will perpetuate the misconception of the Amiga just being a games machine.

I don't expect the people working on hardware to do anything but hardware. I really didn't even expect anyone on the Natami team to do any software other than drivers and utility programs to make the Natami work. It's only when I saw that there are many people on the Natami team making games that I thought, "What the hell? One thing Amiga DOESN'T need are more games."

They can make games if they want, of course, but I think Natami "Management" (whoever that is) should realise the importance of an updated browser and try to get people working on it, instead of more games. A browser is so important, I think browser developers should be promised a percentage of Natami profits (when there are any), just so they are motivated to get it done.

anyways aweb is a dead end i expect. unfortunatelly.