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Alessandro Pedarra
Italy
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Posts 67
20 Jan 2010 19:43
| Last updated in 2006. Is it dead?
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Alessandro Pedarra
Italy
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Posts 67
20 Jan 2010 19:52
| These are the only open source alternatives:
* Go-oo - OpenOffice.org variant with a number of enhancements similar to the Novell Edition but freely available. It has better support for Office Open XML (MS Office 2007) file formats than the official OpenOffice.org releases produced by Sun Microsystems, and other enhancements that have not yet been accepted into the upstream Sun version.* KOffice — free and open-source office suite. * OpenOffice.org — an open-source software project upon which Sun's StarOffice is based. The initial code was provided by Sun Microsystems, based on the Star Office package by German company, Star Division, which it had previously acquired. Sun has provided much of the labour for its development since. Its components include Writer, Impress, Math, Draw, Calc, and Base. Releases are available for Microsoft Windows, GNU/Linux, Mac OS X and Solaris. * OpenOffice.org Novell Edition — features the Office Open XML translator add-on. Based upon OpenOffice.org. Its components include Writer, Impress, Math, Draw, Calc, and Base. * Gnome Office - Consists of AbiWord, Gnumeric and other software. Some of the applications are cross-platform, others are currently Linux only. * Siag Office - A lightweight office suite. Has not been updated recently, and is Linux only.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
20 Jan 2010 20:10
| Alessandro just because it has a port on every system doesn't give a reason to port it to yet another. ;) I vote for update a existing set of programs to be able to use ODF too.
Or build from scratch starting with a editor and build it up from there.
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 3738
20 Jan 2010 20:37
| What about "Papyrus" Papyrus is available for MOS/AMIGA SO isn't it? I've heard Papyrus is quite good.
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Rob M
United Kingdom
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Posts 24
20 Jan 2010 21:41
| Ignition is an Amiga OS 3.x spreadsheet that has gone open source. EXTERNAL LINK
You could update it's appearance by using Mason's AISS. EXTERNAL LINK
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Alessandro Pedarra
Italy
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Posts 67
20 Jan 2010 22:41
| No Marcel, I'm only say it's the easier way. From a personal viewpoint I would like something unique but I understand that the world is global (OpenOffice, like Gnome Office is available at least for three platforms) and people could think 'with this PC I can do this' and 'with that Amiga I can't'. I never spent money on AmigaOS 4 because I think it's a waste of resources, there is not a serious plan to make it a competitive platform, they would have better time to make a 'complete web browser' than continuing refining the OS... ok, great OS now I want to surf Internet but there is no flash compatibility even if there is out there free OPEN SOURCE software that guarantee compatibility on other platforms. I mean... it's a BASIC task. What I'm trying to say is that if we could take something that is just complete, free and appreciated just let's do it. Spending time to update something obsolete (and that will never be on par) maybe it's something the little amigan community could not allow at this time. I would vote for few rock-solid projects and then, when the community is back, think at a more 'experimental approach'. I hope there is a real plan to make something like a Commodore Amiga (yes I know there is no money, but even Steve Jobs had initially only ->GOOD
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Alessandro Pedarra
Italy
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Posts 67
20 Jan 2010 22:45
| ideas and not just a toy that will die like all the other Amigas projects. To me (as an actual PC user) amigans must be more concrete, like in Commodore era (when I had an Amiga too). The bad (imho) idea to port the games to other platforms just kill the need for this particular hardware. Every hardware that is not supposed to have software exclusives it's dead from the beginning. I hope you will find mine a valuable point of view and do not hate me. :)
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Gone Gahgah
Australia
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Posts 224
20 Jan 2010 23:04
| An acceptable Word Processor, let alone an Office Suite, is not an easy thing to start from scratch (most attempts - and there have been many - have fallen short). A game is far easier to write. If you can start with something already existing that will help a bit.
In that case some of the challenges have already been worked for you.
But... they may not always be worked in the way we may want,
or their solutions may hamper features that you wish to have. It's not for nothing that Page Stream went through complete rewrites. Before you waste your time I suggest we work out what we want product and feature wise. Then look at if we can get there.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
21 Jan 2010 00:46
| Gone Gahgah guess why i wanted a list of existing amiga software for office use with perks and flaws. it's just so that we can talk about what we A). need. B).want. C).like. Besides a word editor is just a editor a word processor is the next step just above that. Besides I reffered to Olaf also already to use the same combinations as used in the OS so what it does in the basic OS would do the same in the program too but on program level.(if poseble) and one thing we should look out for is feature creep.
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Gone Gahgah
Australia
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Posts 224
21 Jan 2010 05:37
| I agree, feature creep is going to really haunt any office suite attempt. Late features need different solutions that require major redoing of previous solutions to other features. It's not a case of adding an extra button for a new feature when it comes to writing office suite software. This is because you have strange objects - eg. formated text, tables, pictures, and more - all trying to play nicely with each other in not straight forward ways. Even going from an editor to a bare minimal word processor is a leap and can also have feature creep when you want to consider the miriad different ways to space between, above, twixt. I liked Turbo Calcs implementation of ARexx though I don't fully remember why.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
21 Jan 2010 16:47
| Regarding Papyrus: EXTERNAL LINK
no amiga-version (just mac and pc)
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
21 Jan 2010 17:09
| ich have found something great: NTUI-Toolkit for Amiblitz. Looks really great and the developer is really helpful. my idea to come to a good solution:
at the start begin with one application (f.e. word processor) and use existing software for the other tasks (connected with Arexx). And then replace application by application. What do you think?
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 70
21 Jan 2010 17:15
| the amiga version is on the Titan Computer Site, but not sure if it's not only a project.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
21 Jan 2010 17:18
| I think it is the demo-version for MacOS
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 70
21 Jan 2010 17:30
| I saw in suported systems, that why i posted the link. * Windows XP/Vista
CPU 800Mhz, 256MB RAM, Harddisc, CD-drive, Graphics card with 128MB memory * Apple Macintosh 10.x
CPU 400Mhz, 256MB RAM, Harddisc, CD-Drive, Graphics card with 128MB memory * Amiga 3.x & MorphOS 1.4
CPU PowerPC or emulated Amiga, 128MB RAM, Harddisc, CD-Drive, Graphics card with 32MB memory But again, it's maybe just a project, and you may be righ.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
21 Jan 2010 17:42
| The Profile: EXTERNAL LINK
I think it is just a reference project. Not their own product
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
21 Jan 2010 19:34
| Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
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my idea to come to a good solution:
at the start begin with one application (f.e. word processor) and use existing software for the other tasks (connected with Arexx). And then replace application by application.
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Not the best solution but a solution none the less. I still haven't see a list of all the current programs for the amiga. But we need a good starting point something to refer from. We need a Set in Stone feature list, just for the first release. why? to prevent feature creep of course and know what should be had at the basis. but Olaf yes it's nice to have a small list of this is what we are aiming for.(back hook into your solution) but this is my opinion, and if the rest agree or disagree is upto them. ;)
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Michael v. Parent
France
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Posts 274
21 Jan 2010 20:11
| Hi Olaf, Yes, definately to the extent thattime allows, I will help with makingit as prety and prefessional looking as possible, I'm sure many of the ever growing list of Natami team artists will help out. In fact, I'm about to start a thread about a related topic.
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Michael v. Parent
France
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Posts 274
21 Jan 2010 20:12
| Hey Golgoth 27, Would you happen to be related in any way to Golgoth Studio?
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 70
21 Jan 2010 20:38
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Hey Golgoth 27,
Would you happen to be related in any way to Golgoth Studio?
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No, sorry. I think both names come from the same place but that's all.
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