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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 12:12
| I am not a game or C++-Programmer (in normal life I develope software and web pages for companies), so I am thinking about developing a new office-suite dedicated to natami. What features would you like to see, what special features (only natami) could be buildt in?
What office-applications do you use right now?
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Christian Kummerow
Germany
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Posts 171
20 Jan 2010 12:29
| I use mainly Wordworth 7. I have too Amiga Writer, witch can include 24 bit pictures(WW cant). But AW is not stable and can easyly crash.
Turbocalc for Tables, i make only simple stuff with it.A new writing programm should be like WW7 with 24 Bit pictures,faster and stable. It should of course able to load WW Documents.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 12:33
| i have thought about implementing some sort of xml-reading and writing. xml should be the new main data format (similar to openoffice and ms office. does anyone have descriptions regarding amiga-formats (f.e. turbocalc, finalwriter, wordworth etc.?
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James R. Igou
USA
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Posts 98
20 Jan 2010 13:05
| Well, except for the requirement that the OS also support JAVA, why not Open Office itself?
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 13:14
| who does it?
here is a link to a description of the Mac OS port...
EXTERNAL LINK
Who will do that?
I think programming something new will be a lot faster than porting openofficeAt the beginning I could automate existing applications (Arexx) to produce something useable.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
20 Jan 2010 13:24
| James R. Igou wrote:
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Well, except for the requirement that the OS also support JAVA, why not Open Office itself?
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Since Open Office is a bit too big, and slow. ;)
Olaf i advice to stay away from OOXML. ;)
Use ODF instead if you like the open standard.
we should first look at what we have, what is the best or easiest to upgrade.
And go from there.
Could we get a list of word processors and spreadsheet editors for the 68K. (It doesn't have to be Amiga specific if we can get it to work)
We can take that as a starting point and build on that.we should also be carefull about what we need, and use default OS shortcuts. ;)
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 13:40
| i have bought all sort of amiga-applications (classic) in the last months, so i can make a list
there is little hope that there will be new versions (i had contact with the developer of the final series and he said no and maxon, haage etc. have left the amiga market some time ago)
so we will have to do something on ourself i think first step would be to create a conversion tool to exchange data between amiga-applications and the "real world"
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 13:45
| one program that is still maintained and developed is hollywood (for presentation). What do you think?
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One Thousand
USA
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Posts 716
20 Jan 2010 15:06
| It would be great to get WW or Final Writer updated. Is that even possible? Yeah, Hollywood would take the presentation software position quite well.
Is AbiWord a possible port for a word processor? It is a lot smaller task than trying to do the slow and bloated OpenOffice. SpeedCrunch is a nice calculator program. Gnumeric is spreadsheet. They might also be candidates for porting.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 15:16
| only for the owner and I do not think they will update it. and it is not opensource, just not supported
The AmigaOS 4 port used AmiCygnix (a Unix-Environment), propably to make the port easier. I do not know how much effort it would need
the problem is again... who will do it
natami is a fast classic amiga so i would prefer to use as much existing as possible
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
20 Jan 2010 15:37
| Olaf your getting ahead of business. ;)
First a list then we can see what is the most used, and what people like and dislike.
that is market research, then take a look under the hood like how does it perform.
Then make a plan of what you need. (OS libs, resources, etc)
Make a initial setup, and run with it.
Adjust accordingly to the what ever feed back is given.
Isn't that how a good product should be made?
As for a word processor i can only say i liked WordPerfect as a word processor. (only the DOS version though. :/ )
Gnumeric needs GTK to my knowledge. :(
Hm, I really need to dig up more office software for the Amiga.
Olaf, think KISS and let's start with a editor, and build it up from there.
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Bartek K
United Kingdom
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Posts 1332
20 Jan 2010 16:25
| Olaf Schoenweiss wrote:
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only for the owner and I do not think they will update it. and it is not opensource, just not supported
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How about taking over the development of an abandoned piece of software? The owner still preserves his IP rights and the product is still developed. Or maybe it would be possible to set some closed sources free and go open-source? What do you think? Regards
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 16:28
| good idea... with the final products (Finalwriter, Final Calc...) that is not possible because parts of it belong to another company, I do not know what the other companies think about it As far as I know are all classic commercial office applications not free or opensource
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Michael v. Parent
France
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Posts 274
20 Jan 2010 17:19
| Hi Olaf, Great idea. I think that an "office-like" suite of programs that run well look completely modern is very important to Ntami's future. I'd highly recommend makingsure it supports microsoft word formatand the format "Open-Office" uses as well. These two would ensure that anyone with text document needs could use their Natami for the task.
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 17:31
| Hi Michael,
would you like to help me with the graphics? (f.e. Icons ...) in the later stages
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
20 Jan 2010 18:03
| Michael V. Parent wrote:
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Hi Olaf,
Great idea. I think that an "office-like" suite of programs that run well look completely modern is very important to Ntami's future. I'd highly recommend makingsure it supports microsoft word formatand the format "Open-Office" uses as well. These two would ensure that anyone with text document needs could use their Natami for the task.
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Like i said before the only open office standard from MS that is also a ISO is OOXML, and it has a manual you can request of a 1000 pages long.(still requires a MS office packet of 2007 or higher to open it)
ODF on the other hand is another ISO standard with better support. (Read Open Office, standard file format) Micheal there are very few good standards.
My advice is to use a own system with save as ODF as option. It would guaranty you can have a minimalistic file size and memory foot print. Even MS office opens ODF's just don't make a ODF with a MS office since that would mess up the file. ;) But Okay first things first who even build his own editor?(who has experience on this ground?)
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Alessandro Pedarra
Italy
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Posts 67
20 Jan 2010 18:09
| I use only OpenOffice (in mine Linux machine), anything like OpenOffice would be good. It needs compatibility with it, a porting would be exceptional but perhaps it's a too much difficult job since OpenOffice it's a very big project and it's rapidly changing (and maybe would be slow on a 68060). Anyway if you succeed to do it you deserve a statue. There are many good projects on the Linux platform that could be ported. To me it's easier to begin from them and then develop something from scratch. It's important to have a solid base to not let Amigans starving. I'm worried about the whole software situation... maybe it would be nice to begin to take advantage of the software developed on other platforms like free software (it's free, it's open source, why just not take it?)
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 205
20 Jan 2010 18:15
| I will search for a free text editor to look in the source
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Alessandro Pedarra
Italy
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Posts 67
20 Jan 2010 18:34
| This is very famous and maybe it's easier since it's not as big as OpenOffice (anyway seems very complete too): EXTERNAL LINK
Source code is here: EXTERNAL LINK
It require just a Pentium processor and 16 MB of RAM.
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 164
20 Jan 2010 19:12
| What about Siag Office? EXTERNAL LINK
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