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Aros Aa
United Kingdom
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Posts 83
23 May 2009 23:08
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Amiga OS3.9 is much cheaper than Windows for x86.Sadly 0S3.9 doesn't yet have these features: good internet browser, Flash format. Linux is free, but a big annoyance to me is the graphics system, i.e. X11 splitting the screen into lateral rectangular parts and drawing from top to bottom of these, making the picture at times corrupted with horizontal lines. Amiga 0S3.9 will boot up pretty quickly, much faster than Windows. Natami could succeed mainstream, although not until internet and Flash have been implemented for OS3x. My opinion at least. Add your thoughts, please.
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Samuel D Crow
USA
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Posts 1295
24 May 2009 02:01
| Linux currently has the advantage of closed-source 3d drivers. They will have to be written for the Natami before release. Other than that, I think you've got the right idea.
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Aros Aa
United Kingdom
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Posts 83
24 May 2009 18:42
| Internet access in a few seconds.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
25 May 2009 07:03
| Amiga OS and NatAmi are superior in all respects, except for lacking cetain "current" SW capabilities. Most Amiga SW was ahead of it's time, and it is relevant even today. When a much faster ASIC NatAmi is made (that will be 1080P capable), and shoved into Jornada 720 form factor computers, wristwatches, and even landline data telephone terminals and shopping center data/info kiosks, we'll see REAL AMIGA kick ass "can do" in action!!!!
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
25 May 2009 07:08
| Forgot to add; Amiga IS the original "Set top box".
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Aros Aa
United Kingdom
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Posts 83
25 May 2009 14:24
| With short booting time, Amiga OS3.9 would work well in a set top box. Not having a MS compatible office suite would not stop it, I doubt.
I look forward to such time as when Natami should find its way into small machines. I hope this happens. Surely they could do well there, considering what it has to offer.
How long will it take OS3.9 to boot?
The only thing against it is S/W. MS Word and powerpoint compatibility, and OWB and Flash.
On the subject of Flash in internet pages, couldn't OWB, ported from AROS, have MPlayer able to run as part of a youtube page? On BeOS 5, Firefox has VLC player play flash videos inside the page. Is this theoretically possible with OWB..?
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Aros Aa
United Kingdom
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Posts 83
25 May 2009 15:20
| I hope Natami team will consider "other" devices, like netbook, laptop when design size is known. Is this the case?
Set top box would require digital tv tuning knowledge.
What are the team's thoughts on such devices?
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1830
25 May 2009 19:27
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I hope Natami team will consider "other" devices, like netbook, laptop when design size is known. Is this the case?
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I've seen lots of PDAs.I think that the Jornada 720 was the ultimate one, out of all the ones I'd seen. Description:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jornada_(PDA)
(How about that, you can now use parenthesis in URLs! I think that's what's knocking out the "external link" hyperlink.) Photo:
EXTERNAL LINK
If some rich person wants to invest in NatAmi, I hope they buy the design rights of the Jornada from HP and make that. I couldn't begin to describe how thrilled I'd be with that news!
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Aros Aa
United Kingdom
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Posts 83
25 May 2009 19:36
| Nothing is needed other than a case, a keyboard and a screen.
The work is really in making the Natami board, I think.A Natami little device would be superior to a windows one in that it would boot up pretty quickly and look nice.
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Middleton Mike
United Kingdom
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Posts 106
27 May 2009 09:43
| I have to be honest, I think the best bet would be to revive the old A500 style "all in one" case. As horrible as that probably sounds to all of you! Or alternatively, a new take on the A1000 in that there's a keyboard docking station and the keyboard could be detatched (wirelessly) and has a touch pad built in. These would obviously be the mass-produciton dream models! As for the attractions of the Amiga OS, I'd say that it's still the best home operating system ever made. Mac OS, Windows and Linux (in that order) require you to have a knowledge of how Operating Systems work to varying degrees. You couldn't give a Linux machine or PC to someone who has never used a computer before and get them to be able to use without some training. The Amiga on the other hand, think how many people who owned the 5,000,000+ out there in the 80s/90s actually had a decent knowledge of computing. Not many I suspect. You didn't need to worry about drivers, drive letters, the registry, xconf, anything like that. At it's most basic level you just plugged it in and it worked. Obviously Amiga OS has more or less stood still since 1992 so it needs massive updates, but not as many as Windows 3.1 or Mac OS of that era would. As previously mentioned, it needs an easy method of connecting to the web. I'm still on OS 3.1 so some of these things might have already been implemented. Ideally adding a modem to an NatAmi should be as easy as adding a CPU card. I'm not sure how that could be implemented. Amiga OS also needs a decent browser, of the standard of Firefox ideally. I also think the desktop should preserve it's contents when you restart the machine - the icons you drag onto it stay where they are. Obviously some cosmetic tweaks are needed for icons and windows, but that's nothing that hasn't been achieved with third party software (such as NewIcons).
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
27 May 2009 10:04
| Mike, i agree that there shouldn't be too much things you need to setup. ;) However i disagree on firefox, firefox is imfamous still for it's leaky memory usage, if i should believe thierry.
Btw after a day it also takes up 1Gb on my PC.
There should be a browser thou.
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Laust Palbo Nielsen
Denmark
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Posts 47
27 May 2009 10:47
| IMO OS 3.9 should have a decent browser, Flash, Open Office (or something equivalent to it) and an IM client like Pidgin. That is my minimum requirements to any OS today.
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
27 May 2009 10:53
| I think that a "custom" case would definately attract more people!
There are many desktop cases out there, me and some greek natami fans, recently, did some research and found so many desktop and tower cases for natami, that it was impossible to choose one. You see we had the idea of making a "team order" so every greek natami user could have the same machine as the other. One of the guys is a "air painter master" and we even found a Red colored mini tower case with flat frond surface that we could paint a boing and natami logo.I know it costs a lot to develop your own case, but a nice looking desktop, in the style of A1000 is not rare to find, and a NatAmi pvc sticker doesnt cost that much either. I think that the team should consider a natami developer board case, even if it is "of the rack". There are so many designs out there that I personally find it impossible not to find one that... loos like an Amiga!
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
27 May 2009 10:56
| Just an example of a high tech looking desktop: EXTERNAL LINK
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
27 May 2009 11:02
| Amiga-style desktop case:
EXTERNAL LINK
there are so many to choose from... just google images for "beige desktop case" or "desktop case" ...
Also for a tower case this one : EXTERNAL LINK reminds me of A1200. It is corner-shaped and it has those horizontal lines that remind the amiga designs! I will create a A1200T from this one :-)
This: EXTERNAL LINK is the one we chose to "paint with natami logo". We abandoned it because it is mini ATX and we have no idea about the final form of the natami board. Just imagine a half, big boing logo starting from the middle and ending at the bottom of the towers face...
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
27 May 2009 11:20
| George i know the size is know i have read it somewhere on the forum here.
CLICK HERE I thought it was a mini or a micro ATX, not sure where exactly in what thread it was said. :(
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
27 May 2009 11:25
| I knw, it says "standard atx". This could be... any standard ATX size from micro to full...
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
27 May 2009 11:27
| I am hunting down the thread it stands in, it's not a full or a extended ATX, George.
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Middleton Mike
United Kingdom
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Posts 106
27 May 2009 13:42
| I just thought as Firefox was open-source it'd be the easiest way to get a modern browser ported across. I'm not a huge FF fan myself, but it's a country mile ahead of the current (old) Amiga browsers. Obviously a home-brew NatAmi-only browser would be nice! For the intitial machine run the case will of course be irrelevant, though if there was an option to have it shipped in a standard ATX box (i.e. they all looked the same) with a logo on it'd help tempt the more casual Amiga users. Ideally it'd also have a floppy with Amiga-disk support as well as a DVD/CD drive and a memory card slot perhaps? Although these are things we can all add ourselves, for the more casual Amiga/computer users, having machines shipped with all this sorted out already would be a lot more tempting than if it was just a motherboard. Though in the future, I still think an A500-style case would be nice. As the motherboard is that small and there's less expansion ports, you could probably fit a floppy drive, memory card slot and DVD/CD drive in an A500 case (re-envisioned with today's design ethos of course). But then you'd need access to a CAD/CAM machine and an injection-moulding plant. Maybe one for when NatAmi becomes the success it deserves to be.
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Aros Aa
United Kingdom
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Posts 83
27 May 2009 14:11
| Why Firefox? Why not Opera web browser? It's much lighter. Why not port OWB from AROS?
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Do you have questions about the Natami?