AOS is the last "common person" OS.

AOS represents the LAST "personal computer".

When you DON'T have batch files anymore, you no longer are a "personal computer operating environment".

THAT was a pitfall of TOS and MacOS lost it a long to ago as well (hmmm, did they have a "shell" environment at all?)

When you lose that, you become an "appliance", and my fridge isn't "fun" to use.

It's also about confinement. Sure, a Nintendo DS is wireless capable and a PDA etc. etc., but to get at the innards is really, almost impossible.

What holds NatAmi back from success?

Price vs. performance COMPARED to what is available from the others, BUT the others don't offer what NatAmi does.

So, to anyone that passes here, realize that money can not be a measure of what NatAmi has to offer.

You know, every time I'm ready to throw the scepter and wacky headpiece into the closet, something bites me in the ass.

I'm using xp today, with a 2006 game, and what happens, I'm getting choppy video on occasion (and it's a fast system), AND THEN, the MacAfee virus protection SW interrupts my video game to remind me to BUY the update!!!

The game screen goes black, then I get the message, and it takes 12 or more seconds for the game to come back, if it does at all.

And just now, I had a hard crash... ctrl-alt-del wouldn't work. Had to power down from the button then go through the verification before the "os" would boot up.

And yesterday when I was installing the game (Galactic Civilizations II, which needs 1 Gig of virtual memory) I had the MOST FRUSTRATING problem that I put the CD-R into the CD drive, and xp WOULD NOT FIND IT. I tried a few. I had to reboot. Then, FINALLY when I installed the game it came up with a menu saying "do you want to play GC II" and at the same time there came up a box saying "you need to restart the computer". WHICH AM I TO BELIEVE?

This is right after the "installation WIZARD(SIC)" did it's thing.

Oh and what a comedy that "zune" was a few months back.

If the other OSs were normal, then I wouldn't have a reason to say anything at all. I would call normal; small, fast, dissectable.

I wouldn't call "normal", 12000 files for an OS. And what's with all the file systems for CD-ROMs, anyway?

Froze up, but he chicken thawed. ;-) :-D

Good try at knocking AOS. Doesn't ring true for quite a few reasons.

However, I will very much agree, it would be kewl to see GEOS 8 bit on a 2+ GHz 8 bit 6502/Z80 CPU! Couldn't almost EVERY COMPONENT of a C=64 MB be inside that CPU??? :-DDDD
Wouldn't mind a PCI card for the NatAmi that did that. Maybe a 350 MHz C-64!!!!

windos, did you know they gloat over having spent $2 billion researching  and D'ing MERELY the user interaction with their interface??? And it's a WORTHLESS os.

There's this part of Galactic Civilizations II that has a land battle when a planet is invaded. I see no difference between it and Rings of Medusa (which did it much better) on a 7.12 MHz Amiga!!!!!

When installing it complained I don't have internet explorer 7 and some other thingy, can't remember what, so I can't post comments. :-(((
Computing is really nightmarish.

The software is called spyware malware.

Expect your bank account to be mysteriously emptied within 12 months.

However, various buggy software has hung on me or invalidated my hard drive.  But if I don't run those programs then I have a 100% reliable Amiga computing experience.

Actually, I've used AOS1.3.3 A LOT, and my HD hasn't once been invalidated.

Has SW crashed.... YES!

Programming is complex, and using C or assembler is very hard.

I've had almost no problems using AMOS, however, the AMOS IDE would sometimes screw up and I'd lose some work done. Was it the OS or the chip set, or the GPV 8 Meg expansion at fault, or the IDE, who knew?

I've never had 2.04 or 3.x in my Amiga 2000. Not because I don't want them, but because I'd need a 3 way ROM switcher, etc. etc. Also, my 180 Meg HD is full. :-(

When you get people that know how to compile a program, but can't possibly know all the nuances, AND THEN SOME in the case of the custom chips, what do you expect?

And don't talk about games, as no one should expect background tasks to run accurately when games are OFTEN exploited to the timing of the custom chips and MHz of the CPU as to what's reproduced onscreen.

Amiga is the best of the choices that there are.

Well I gotta say I think both of you are right in many ways.
Certainly AOS can be frustrating and Guru on you at the most inopertune at times. Chock that one up to poor apps and lack of MMU. But strangely the thing that sticks with me the most is that AOS is consistant. If there is a problem it will 'mostly' always appear in the same way every time.

In the case of windows and dare I say it Linux....Totally different experiance. My definition of both those OS's (Windows more so than Linux) is totally inconsistant.

I can live with hickups if I understand the reason for them, and they are repeatable. When friends ask me, I always say I love AOS because it never causes me pain. (Especially now with SFS). But Windows is nothing but inconsistant and painful.

Unfortunatly, having just got a SAM440ep running with AOS 4.1 I'd have to say its picked up the Windows behaviour of crashing at different times for no apparently consistant reason. The term DSI seems to be part of life with 4.1.

8-)

Just my 2 cents worth

"People on Ludes Should Not Operate Computing Machinery."

- Jeff Spicoli (Probable), 1982 

It must succeed.  Since the fall of Commodore so many initiatives have failed in this community... the biggest reason people moved on was the lack of leadership, technological progression, or Vapor.  Natami will be successful just by  being released.  I believe this will renew interest in the "amiga" like vision... but if for some reason it never were to see the light of day... it would just add to the huge dark whole of Vaporware... the dissapointment would be enough to make others turn away.  People need something to believe in... hope for a future... even in there Hobbies.  Am I the only one who thinks this way??

I hope there are enough that will think this that they will get behind NatAmi so that it DOES NOT fail.....

Right now, my Sony DVD-ROM has been on (reading) for 1 and 1 half hours on my XP (since I booted up), and I don't know why, or how to turn it off!!!!! I'm pretty sure it's got something to do with my anti virus SW (Macafee). The open close button on the drive does nothing. The CD-Rom in there is, I forgot what it is, but I think some game from a legit SW company. :-(((( This "win" stuff just don't work.

Its Windows... right... Reboot and if that doesn't work re-install..

hehe... Just kidding.

One of my XP gripes is how when you put a faulty CD/DVD in the whole OS can Lock up.

XP Multitasking/MultiUser my foot...

Anyway enough XP bashing

NATAMI must succeed for exactly the reasons Ayodele made. Too much Vapour ware. The best and only really successful Amiga Innovations have been those developed directly by dedicated enthusiasts such as we find here. 

There is no commercial impetus to develop such a platform, which is OK, because that means that what we as true Amiga Fans come up with will have no Commercial restrictions and will be what Thomas and the Team want it to be. 8-) (A True (As in 100%) Amiga for the 21st century)

8-)

I have to say that I very much agree with your thinking.

Thomas has the same mindset as the original AMIGA inventors.
He wants to develop something GOOD, something which is new, great working, something which is better than the past machines were.

The intentions of the original AMIGA developers were just the same.

But if you run such a project commercially, then you have of course a few constraints:

* your are forced to sometimes take cheaper parts to save money.
* You have deadlines and you are sometimes even forced to go live with a infier solutions to meet your deadlines.

We all to well know the history of the AMIGA.

The AMIGA developers did ask for some more month to fully finish the OS.  But commercially reasons forced the company sell the AMIGA as it was.
Because of this the AMIGA was released with a not debugged OS - and the early AMIGA did crash quite many times - giving the AMIGA a bad name of beeing a crashy system.

I think to recall that the AMIGA developers have intented the OCS chipset to be 128 colors but this did not happen as Commodore needed to hurry up selling the AMIGA.

AFAIK the AMIGA chipset which was build in all AMIGA (1000/500/2000/3000..) was not the chipset that the AMIGA developers wanted to develop and go live with - it  was only the prototype version which was build for testing - Driven by commercially deadlines commodore had to make it the final chipset.