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Survey of People Interested In NatAmi 68060/N070page  1 2 3 
Sergio Daniel Campillo
Espania

Posts 1
05 Feb 2009 12:18


Hello
I wanted to know if I can do a survey to identify people interested in NatAmi 68060/N070.

first, I ask permission:)
Thanks

(sorry my bad english jejeje)

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3991
05 Feb 2009 13:52


What sort of survey is it?

And your english that bad my is worse.

Bartek "Banter" K.
Poland
(Natami Team)
Posts 2277
05 Feb 2009 14:20


Identify. That sounds scary! :)
 
  Identify and... what?
 
  More details would be appreciated.
 
  Regards

Team Chaos Leader
USA
(Moderator)
Posts 2094
05 Feb 2009 16:33


I were thinking info is more needed.

Talk u, and later to that.

;)

George Mystiloglou

Posts 295
05 Feb 2009 16:45


Me is one.

I spoke england the very best :-P

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1830
05 Feb 2009 19:07


IF it was an ASIC and IF it was 800 MHz and IF it had 1.5 Gigs of DDR2 RAM and IF it had 16 Megs of static 5 ns ram and IF it had 4 PCI slots and IF it had 880K/1.76Meg FD controller and IF it had 2 USB 2 ports and IF it had Amiga mouse/KB ports and IF it was a motherboard only and IF it was USA$400, ..... they could sell over 100,000!!!!!

The way it is now, it'll be expensive, they could sell 300 I would say. BUT, this IS the last chance of replacing OLD HW (minus Zorro bus and custom graphics slot ability, BUT improved on board graphics will make that completely redundant anyway), so I think it could be 1,000 even! In a depression, not EVERYONE is broke. They'll still be making $140 million movies.

* Serial and parallel ports wouldn't hurt.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3991
05 Feb 2009 19:24


*Throw a floatation device to Thierry*
That is what you get if you go overboard.
This is still a Dev board we are all talking about.
A FD controller isn't important since this is just a adeptation to the ATA interface the HD has,(IDE6, PATA name it as you like)
the only exeption is if we had a SATA then i could still adept it to a FD but it would be a whole lot harder.

back on topic or not.
I speak English very wel, maar nicht zo snel maar dat komt nog wel.

Those of you that speak a germanic language might be able to laugh over this.

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1830
05 Feb 2009 19:48


Hi Marcel,

I don't think you realize just how powerful this Amiga will be!

Genuine Amiga ram:, screen dragging, and multi-tasking....

On my AmigaOne PPC G4 XE with Altivec at 800 MHz I copied a 140 Meg file from ram: to ram: First copy took 19 seconds, when I got to copying the SIXTH time, it took 62 seconds!!!!!! to copy the file from ram: to ram:!!!!! (Every copy took longer periods progressively. Why? No clue!!!!)

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3991
05 Feb 2009 19:57


just a question Thierry, did you clean up your RAM after you copied the file?(removed unnessasry things in RAM)
if you did then it's MMU. ;)

Chuck T
USA

Posts 679
05 Feb 2009 19:59


Why do you want to do a survey and who are the interested paries?  What kind of interest do the interested parties have in us?

The shopping mall has done surveys so they know how much we make in order to know how much they can charge for rent so the stores in turn can overcharge us.

I'm interested in a Natami.

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1830
05 Feb 2009 20:35


Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

  just a question Thierry, did you clean up your RAM after you copied the file?(removed unnessasry things in RAM)
  if you did then it's MMU. ;)
 

  Hi Marcel,
 
  I made drawer2 thru drawer9, then did the following, one right after the other (made mistake; "sixth time" should read "NINTH time")
  Copy "" /drawer2 clone
  Copy "" /drawer3 clone
  ...
  Copy "" /drawer9 clone

Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania

Posts 607
05 Feb 2009 21:22


Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

*Throw a floatation device to Thierry*
 
I speak English very wel, maar nicht zo snel maar dat komt nog wel.

Er spricht englisch sehr gut, aber nicht so schnell aber das kommt noch...

SOS: Rettungring für Thierry!!!

...Coming from 3 rather meaningless art exhibitions, throwing more (programmed) f·arts:) i am hu-e-man

pffffftttt...···'''


Team Chaos Leader
USA
(Moderator)
Posts 2094
05 Feb 2009 21:54


@Thierry Athiest:

How much RAM was in that machine?

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1830
05 Feb 2009 22:37


Hi Team Chaos Leader,

2 Gigabytes of ram. PC133MHz ECC Registered SDram.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3991
05 Feb 2009 22:39


@Jacek, do you know the meaning of lost in translation?
Well it happens to Jokes a lot, and with Germanic that includes English Dutch German and Danish languages perhaps even more.

Let is be clear, Toilet humor we all have here.
Some of us Zealots, others plain interested in Old and New, retro and the other thing.
And to me personaly there is nothing more energizing then hearing about new HW on the horizon, in the morning.
Yes, i said new, Old ideas re-implemented, rethinhing every step of what can we improve here.

back on topic or not.
And to all old skool users ACK ABEND.
(Dunno what i said in the end, perhaps someone does remember some BBS slang.)

Battered Bunny
Australia

Posts 80
06 Feb 2009 08:55


Thierry Atheist
 
  "minus Zorro bus and custom graphics slot ability, BUT improved on board graphics will make that completely redundant anyway"
 
  Sorry to have to repeat this, but board graphics will not be enough to keep me happy at all... it will not even get to the lowest spec I could use in a video studio.
 
  I suspect the other graphics professionals on the board will tell you the same thing. If the return argument is that we could add it via PCI, then that is a hard sell, because PCIe is not set up for video use like the Video slot was on the Amiga... and if we wanted PCIe, we could buy a Mac or Wintel machine. Both those platforms have advanced software suites and a list of graphics boards. We lose Workbench (and trust me, I will not use a Workbench clone) but we gain cheaper hardware that is many times faster. And to be honest, if you are working on a machine all day every day on a video suite, you do not get to see the OS for more than a few seconds a day.

Oh, I need to edit in video means working in PAL/NTSC/SECAM/HD/and Movie resolutions/refresh rates/colour handling etc. SVGA/HDMI/DVI used for monitors is only vaguely related to video. Unfortunately, generation after generation of computer user completely misses this fact and blames the hardware when they finally have to "dump to tape". There are software solutions, but the older I get the more experience I have with rejecting them. If you want to work in one format, work natively.... One exception... most six colour bubblejet printers have better internal software than half million dollar Xerox/Fiery printing solutions. Convert RGB to CMYK in software and you get a mess, print it out on a printer the size of a large room and the mess sometimes gets much worse. Print the same image in a Canon or Epsom six colour printer and it will print it almost flawlessly. Create the same image in CMYK and you avoid the problems with the expensive equipment. I have seen more than my share of other peoples SVGA to PAL/NTSC colour disasters. Not to mention all the other problems that happen.

For the top end of live video work need a pile of cards that often have to talk to each other and synchronize with a master clock... normally the incoming/output video clock. If the computer and cards can not sync with the half million dollars of hardware you may have it hooked up to, you are going to be better off buying a turnkey video system. The good news is that as ALL equipment will be HD soon, independent PCIe cards may be able to sync to an external clock. I do not know if it is already possible, or will be possible, I just expect it will be. I do know the base architecture will be unlikely to sync to a request from a card. PC architecture is designed ground up as a computer... The Amiga architecture was designed as a video game console... The output was always intended to be standard TV monitors.

Gabriele Budelacci
Italy

Posts 111
06 Feb 2009 09:05


@Thierry Atheist

Maybe a problem of memory fragmentation?

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1830
06 Feb 2009 10:05


Hi Battered Bunny,

What would work? A custom slot, or an Amiga 2000 video slot in a NatAmi, but higher MHz throughput made possible?

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1830
06 Feb 2009 10:07


Gabriele Budelacci wrote:

@Thierry Atheist
 
  Maybe a problem of memory fragmentation?

Hi Gabriele,

Good sggestion, but I did the copying right after I booted up the computer, one right after the other.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3991
06 Feb 2009 10:37


Thierry Atheist wrote:
 
  What would work? A custom slot, or an Amiga 2000 video slot in a NatAmi, but higher MHz throughput made possible?

This is pointless to do because of two things.
1. No new hardware is available for the Amiga 2000 video slot.
2. A hight frequency, causes backward incompatebility, and because this is a parallel bus system whould introduce a skewing problem at higher speeds and would create the need to increase the bus latency thuse the speed improvement would be less the higher the bus speed is set.

A better way would to completly re-design/re-think the bus used and make it use serial signals and such.
why re invent the wheel if you would ask me.

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