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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 02 Mar 2012 16:53
| Hello All My post will be personal, sorry if it interferes with someone. I would like to thank Natami Team, your work is the fulfillment of my youthful dream "to Amiga not died". Now I know, that it was/is much more in this dream, there was/is my desire to to be in contact with the source of pure creativity, passion and fun in me, that I lost going into the "tin" and robotic adult world and what I'm recovering now, among other through you Thank You Because of this, I feel inside me again my creative passion to play with Amiga/Natami, to use it in creative way, I feel that I want to create/write a game and more. I don't know how to do this yet, but I want, and I know I can do this. I know that it will take a lot of time, but I know also that time is not important, important is creative process which gives fulfillment, fun and creative growth. So I need "knowledge algorithm" of Natami/Amiga: - where to start - what I need to know and in what order - what tools do you use (programming languages sources of knowledge examples etc) Soon I will be holder of Amiga again (after 23 years) and I hope a holder of Natami in the future, It's like a new begining for me, new chance to be myself, to be creative. Amiga it's not only computer in my opinion it's manifestation of fully creative state of being in contrast to "PC" where a "carier wave" is different, much poorer despite a much better output parameters. Therefore in my opinion, it is said that Amiga has a soul. And I feel that NatAmi has the soul of Amiga, soul which is still alive . Thanks again, sorry for my english, I hope is understandable.
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Jakob Eriksson Sweden
| | (Moderator) Posts 1097 02 Mar 2012 22:52
| Your English is fine, thanks for sharing your thoughts. The tools you need are the same as you would use on an Amiga. The main difference will be faster, better sound, more memory and extra graphics modes. (Eventually some simple 3D support too.) Good luck and welcome! I felt the same as you when I learned Natami is real. I have always loved Amiga, but with Natami, I know I can continue to also use it in the 21st century and not only remember the good old days.
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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 05 Mar 2012 14:59
| Thank You, I found some resources on Internet, I think it's enought to start :). EXTERNAL LINK What about "differences" will be new libraries, devices itp. for AmigaOS 3.X to use it? I saw pictures of Natami(SAGA) graphics on your page. I think its quality is enought for games. In my opinion direction towards "reality" is not good, specially in games. Today's games with graphics like in "military simulator with blood and dead, destroy/kill childish/human sensitivity, humanity. I think that through wise, developing awareness, sensitivity and creativity games and programs we could change the word. Greetings from Poland
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Jakob Eriksson Sweden
| | (Moderator) Posts 1097 05 Mar 2012 17:21
| If it works on AmigaOS 3.x on an Amiga, it should work on a Natami. If you want to help beta-test an AROS based AmigaOS replacement, check EXTERNAL LINK But you should probably have a 68060 based Amiga to do that.
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Istvan Szekeres Hungary
| | Posts 60 05 Mar 2012 19:45
| Sławomir Mońka wrote:
| Thank You, I found some resources on Internet, I think it's enought to start :). EXTERNAL LINK
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Very good and indispensable docs for coding Slawomir! Another good place: EXTERNAL LINK I use everyday these books....and Devpac.... Good luck for coding.....
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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 06 Mar 2012 09:18
| Jakob Eriksson wrote:
| If you want to help beta-test an AROS based AmigaOS replacement, check ... But you should probably have a 68060 based Amiga to do that.
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Is that mean that new chipset futures will be implemented only on AROS OS ? If yes, what about AROS comapatibility with AMIGA OS 3.X API and old Amiga games/programs ? I'd like of course to help beta-test, but I will have A1200 with 1230/40 card
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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 06 Mar 2012 09:25
| Istvan Szekeres wrote:
| | I use everyday these books....and Devpac.... Good luck for coding..... |
Thank you I wish you the discovery and full manifestation of your inner genius not only in coding :)
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Jakob Eriksson Sweden
| | (Moderator) Posts 1097 06 Mar 2012 09:57
| No features will be available regardless of OS. Actually, a 1230/40 might be enough. Check his distribution out.
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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 06 Mar 2012 14:35
| OK, I found this about AROS : "Should be binary compatible on Amiga and source compatible on any other hardware." very nice, I found AROS Night distribution for Amiga 68k but no information about hardware requirements, I will test.
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 06 Mar 2012 14:51
| you will need a 020 and 6megs just to get aros68k up i suppose. to have some fun with it 060 would be reccomended. i have put together some instructions, how to handle the nightly inm my post #9 and #34: EXTERNAL LINK
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Matt Hey USA
| | Posts 735 07 Mar 2012 03:14
| wawa tk wrote:
| you will need a 020 and 6megs just to get aros68k up i suppose.
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Is AROS 68k compiled for the 68020 now? It used to be compiled for the 68000. That was probably for MiniMig testing (or Marcel the masochist with an Amiga 500 plus ram expansion) as I saw Mad Franco's 68030@50MHz AROS video. Franco's Scottish commentary is pretty funny although I had trouble following his accent from time to time :).
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3979 07 Mar 2012 04:21
| Bah, at least i can say i have more ram in my 500 then any sane person has.
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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 07 Mar 2012 09:33
| wawa tk wrote:
| you will need a 020 and 6megs just to get aros68k up i suppose. to have some fun with it 060 would be reccomended. i have put together some instructions, how to handle the nightly inm my post #9 and #34:
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Thank you
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 07 Mar 2012 15:21
| @matt: i only understood "close that freakin window!" i think aros is compiled for 68000 alright, but i wouldnt advise to try it out on that just now, same for plain 68020, you have seen the video??btw, dont you want to join in? there is still some 68k assembly jobs you could perhaps be of assistance with?
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Matt Hey USA
| | Posts 735 07 Mar 2012 20:30
| wawa tk wrote:
| @matt: i only understood "close that freakin window!" i think aros is compiled for 68000 alright, but i wouldnt advise to try it out on that just now, same for plain 68020, you have seen the video?? |
Yes. I saw the link on Amigaworld.net wawa tk wrote:
| btw, dont you want to join in? there is still some 68k assembly jobs you could perhaps be of assistance with?
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I am busy with another non-Amiga project at the moment. It's probably premature to start assembly optimizing AROS 68k at this point. Making the 68k compilers better would do more good (I did recently help with some vasm/vbbc 68k/CF optimizations). Compiling with 68020 optimizations should improve speed and code size a bit. Compiling with ColdFire instructions turned on for the N68k should help a little bit more yet. It would help if a standard was defined for 68k+CF so that a compiler like vbcc can already select and obtain a benefit. I will probably eventually get around to playing with 68k AROS.
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1830 07 Mar 2012 23:59
| NatAmi=AMIGA? You can count on it! EXTERNAL LINK
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 08 Mar 2012 00:17
| @matt: there are pieces of code witten in assembly anyway especially for 68k, cache handling, some bcpl command stuff, i have no idea. but i think the team is doing fine. keep up with the project you do.
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Slawomir Monka Poland
| | Posts 20 08 Mar 2012 10:28
| This is my new Amiga I bought yesterday :) EXTERNAL LINK and here is interview with Bartosz Kuchta obout NatAmi (unfortunatly ;) in polish, but these pictures and graphics.. :) ) EXTERNAL LINK
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Adrian Browne Ireland
| | Posts 172 08 Mar 2012 22:16
| Slawomir Monka wrote:
| This is my new Amiga I bought yesterday :) EXTERNAL LINK and here is interview with Bartosz Kuchta obout NatAmi (unfortunatly ;) in polish, but these pictures and graphics.. :) ) EXTERNAL LINK |
That a1200 looks good to go.Enjoy. Good interview from Bartosz too.(google translate works on that site)
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