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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
19 Nov 2011 07:37
| Hi, for several months I have been following this forum, I think natami a wonderful project, the thing that I still can not understand is when you will have the cards shown in the hardware section. The blog is not updated for weeks and even though the cards have left germany it is not clear if they reach their destination:)))
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3976
19 Nov 2011 08:27
| I have seen pictures of our favourite french musician of this forum holding it.
I think it's safe to assume it did.
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Ander Strom
Sweden
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Posts 9
19 Nov 2011 09:14
| EXTERNAL LINK
that one did reach the destination
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
19 Nov 2011 10:47
| Fantastic :).
But when can a common customer have one?
How much it costs?
Is there an eta for selling and delivering?
I have an XC68060RC50A can I have an expansion board for using that?
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
19 Nov 2011 12:34
| lorenzo lorenko wrote:
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Fantastic :).
But when can a common customer have one?
How much it costs?
Is there an eta for selling and delivering?
I have an XC68060RC50A can I have an expansion board for using that?
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Hello. That is my board in the video above. It was a chore opening the ESD bag and fixing the flag with just one hand :)
The system is not yet in a state that can be sold to the general public, since several features are not yet implemented. Some boards have been sent out to team members for the purpose of identifying bugs and helping out on finishing the chipset.
If you want to follow the Natami MX systems journey from development system to finished consumer system, please keep a close look at this thread:
CLICK HERE
Prices will not be announced until we are ready to make a consumer production run, and will be dependent on day-to-day component prices and batch size. Stay tuned for some kind of preordering system when the day arrives.
I am pretty sure that Thomas would sell NAe60R CPU cards without 060:s, with a lower price but with no warranty (since you will modify the CPU board yourself). Your CPU should work fine. But he has to decide that himself :)
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
28 Nov 2011 18:36
| ok, all right, but I think that selling to costumers as many as possible boards, this will accelerate development drastically.
:)
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
28 Nov 2011 20:17
| lorenzo lorenko wrote:
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ok, all right, but I think that selling to costumers as many as possible boards, this will accelerate development drastically.
:)
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Yes, of course. But the customer must also get basic value for money - which for example means that the Amiga Blitter must be complete and some of the drivers for the onboard hardware be available, before any sales take place.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
28 Nov 2011 20:55
| I tried :)
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
03 Dec 2011 22:06
| Why don't submit your project to a fund site like kickstarter?
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
03 Dec 2011 22:54
| lorenzo lorenko wrote:
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Why don't submit your project to a fund site like kickstarter?
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What should the donations be used for? Thomas does not have economical problems.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
03 Dec 2011 23:13
| For contributing in a great butch......
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
03 Dec 2011 23:20
| lorenzo lorenko wrote:
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For contributing in a great butch......
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So, people should donate money to subsidise prices? Does not sound very logical to me.If you want to contribute economically to the Natami community, it would be a nicer idea to set up AROS68k bounties or AOS3 bounties for creating drivers and other useful software. See for example EXTERNAL LINK
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
03 Dec 2011 23:22
| ..and to have an idea on how many people are interested in invest in a project.. I don't think that that site is only for solve economic problems .. it seems a fast and great way to realize some projects ... and money is an important aspect sorry ..:)
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
03 Dec 2011 23:29
| André Jernung wrote:
| | If you want to contribute economically to the Natami community, it would be a nicer idea to set up AROS68k bounties or AOS3 bounties for creating drivers and other useful software. See for example EXTERNAL LINK |
Interesting..... thank you
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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
04 Dec 2011 23:07
| Bounties for drivers are great, but I think a KickStart raise for a hard silicon version of Natami would be interesting. A tad unrealistic perhaps, but cool.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
05 Dec 2011 07:47
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I think the most difficult step of a project is transforming a prototype in a product. I attended fundraisers with KickStart and I do not always wait for the finished product 100% functional. I know it will be susceptible to continuous upgrades, is part of the development. The first iPhone was not perfect and the first Amiga..... :)
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3976
05 Dec 2011 21:43
| Jakob Eriksson wrote:
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Bounties for drivers are great, but I think a KickStart raise for a hard silicon version of Natami would be interesting. A tad unrealistic perhaps, but cool.
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It cost about 50.000 dollars to make a mask if your willing to share the cost with a mixed production run.
Then you still need to make the chip design itself and i do not mean a VHDL a little rework it means a lot of rework.
Since there are no redoes on chip designs.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
10 Dec 2011 19:28
| Sorry for my poor knowledge, but what are main differences from FPGA arcade play project?
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Peter K.
Germany
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Posts 439
11 Dec 2011 13:01
| lorenzo lorenko wrote:
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Sorry for my poor knowledge, but what are main differences from FPGA arcade play project?
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Hi Lorenzo,
since I am a Natami team member and might not have all infos
on the fpga-arcarde play platform, please take my answer with
a grain of a salt:
-NatAmi introduces a new powerful SuperAGA chipset,
for which the hardware has been designed from the beginning
-NatAmi has 512MB DDR2 RAM and high performance SRAM on the CPU card
-NatAmi's peak memory bandwidth is much higher due to higher clock and more bus-width
-NatAmi does have 2 Amiga IDE busses, one with CF socket. -NatAmi has Amiga floppy support, Parallel-Port and Serial-Port.
-NatAmi does have a Gigabit Ethernet port onboard and 4 Channel USBv2
-NatAmi's FPGA has enough space to include a very powerful 050 softcore and
add future acceleration engines like the 3D core
-NatAmi improves Paula audio in an Amiga way
In general I would say, that FPGA-arcade is aiming at a very low price,
while Natami is aiming for the maximum possible performance and features
with high price components.
IMHO both are very cool projects!
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 63
11 Dec 2011 15:21
| Wow,
this is an answer ;)
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Do you have questions about the Natami?