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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
26 Oct 2008 02:32
| I could see Natami's 070 as an accelerator
the superAGA as a CGX/P96 and soundcard addonsee the link for the topic
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
26 Oct 2008 08:22
| Tom a sparks wrote:
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I could see Natami's 070 as an accelerator
the superAGA as a CGX/P96 and soundcard addon
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Would you see the A4000 as an Accelerator for the A1200 ?
I guess not. The Natami is a complete and 100% compatible AMIGA computer.
The Natami is basically an A4000 ++ .
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3979
26 Oct 2008 08:55
| It wouldn't make sence since then the addon card out performs the rest of the hardware.
It comes down to the fact then that also the Card would be needed to be clocked down so it would have the same clock speed as the bus it's connected to.
Think about both the performance loss and the initial development cost.
Why perfomanceloss, it's poinless to have hardware out of sync, make the chance of a signal miss bigger.
And that makes inturn for an instable system.
And what is the point of a upgrade if you cannot fully unleas it's power?Talk to me< Marcel
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Przemek Tkaczyk
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Posts 36
26 Oct 2008 23:34
| Tom a sparks wrote:
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I could see Natami's 070 as an accelerator
the superAGA as a CGX/P96 and soundcard addon
see the link for the topic
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What's the point?! You'll gonna have fully-featured computer with way more expansion possibilities than any existing Amiga model, and yet you insist on creating a simple turbo-board to make your old A1200/A4000 go faster... I don't get this kind of thinking and never will.. :< We're so close to the revolutionary, elegant solution for a Super-Classic Amiga with a FUTURE; why people always want to make another sandwitch-computer is beyond me...
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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
27 Oct 2008 01:19
| I understand your views I am looking at it from upgrade path not as new classic amiga take FPGA chip put it on a accelerator card and RAM slots
some thing like how the Indivision AGA was done
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Chris Sanz
USA
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Posts 122
27 Oct 2008 01:45
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I understand your views
I am looking at it from upgrade path not as new classic amiga
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Look at how slow a ppc card runs on legacy machines. You want this? Chris
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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
27 Oct 2008 02:18
| Chris Sanz wrote:
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Tom a sparks wrote:
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I understand your views
I am looking at it from upgrade path not as new classic amiga
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Look at how slow a ppc card runs on legacy machines. You want this?
Chris
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I dont have a ppc card
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Przemek Tkaczyk
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Posts 36
27 Oct 2008 03:28
| Tom a sparks wrote:
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I understand your views
I am looking at it from upgrade path not as new classic amiga
take FPGA chip put it on a accelerator card and RAM slots
some thing like how the Indivision AGA was done
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Why? I don't get it... Slow CHIP-RAM, outdated mainboard, problematic expansions - why go this way, when you can have a MODERN computer that is backwards-compatible but does every little thing BETTER...
Indivision sits on top of the ICs; you have to build a "sandwich" from your Amiga to make it work. What for? We can have it all as a brand new, shiny, compatible and unbelievely fast Classic Amiga that has the potential of all the existing AmigaOS software base and expanding it to the next level with the new features.
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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
27 Oct 2008 03:54
| There are some of us who dont want to remove the motherboard out of our classic Amiga just the throw in the next amiga motherboard or towerise it, because the case is special for computer of that time period, and people well comment on the system unlike todays computers PS: I am looking at buying a NatAmi when the customer version comes out
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Fahed Al Daye
Canada
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Posts 282
27 Oct 2008 04:48
| Tom a Sparks, please let go of your A1200/A4000! Go to Natami! Go to the future! Let the old hardware rest in peace...please!
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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
27 Oct 2008 06:04
| why should i get rid of something if it still works? while i wait for natami to be made,until then i'll be using my A1200 I do use UAE when I need the speed (uae just dosen't cut it, for the real feeling of using a classic/retro computer, bragging rights, etc)
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Flash Lab
Netherlands
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Posts 166
27 Oct 2008 07:12
| Easy solution; have both. Just keep your 1200 and use it and have a nice Natami next to it.
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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
27 Oct 2008 07:56
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Easy solution; have both. Just keep your 1200 and use it and have a nice Natami next to it.
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that may be my only option since the Natami team is not for an a1200 Addon card
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
27 Oct 2008 08:06
| Natami as addon is not an option.
Natami suitable for classic cases would be solution.
Natami is best solution for us classic hardware freaks, and it would be nice if Gunnar provided us with option for classic case mounts and for PC like cases.
But that is not priority. For me priority is that Natami comes to market, and that is 100% compatible with old hardware.For me, that is real NextGen Amiga. After that we can have PPC card addons, so we can enjoy best of both worlds. That would also be entry level platform for all who possessed Amiga ones. Maybe they would return.
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
27 Oct 2008 08:07
| Tom a sparks wrote:
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Flash Lab wrote:
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Easy solution; have both. Just keep your 1200 and use it and have a nice Natami next to it.
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that may be my only option since the Natami team is not for an a1200 Addon card
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I think that doing a 1200-Extention card would be a very bad idea for us.
A standalone Natami will be a lot more powerful that another Frankenstein-type expansion of the A1200.
The A1200 expansion combines many disadvantages:
- Its slower.
- Its more expensive
- It can only be used by people having a working A1200
- It becomes useless when the aged A1200 board dies
Building A1200 expansion make sense for people which need to A1200 for something. If someone is unable to build AGA then going for an A1200 expansion makes sense for him.
The Natami has EVERYHTING that the A1200 has and a lot more. Using the aged A1200 board in it brings no advantage at all.
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
27 Oct 2008 09:09
| Gunnar, you are the man! If you don't save this Amiga soap-opera situation, no one will. Keep up the good job and let us have some videos...
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Tom a Sparks
Australia
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Posts 26
27 Oct 2008 09:29
| off topic the main reason: I well still keep my a1200 running are the floppy disk, I've lost a few disk due to the escom's A1200 internal disk drive and a lots of software is still coming out on floppy disk (I have two external floppy disk drives)
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
27 Oct 2008 09:44
| As I understand, there will be hardware floppy emulator for SD cards? It will eliminate need for floppy, although floppy controler would be nice option. Am I right?
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
27 Oct 2008 10:16
| Tom a sparks wrote:
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off topic the main reason: I well still keep my a1200 running are the floppy disk, I've lost a few disk due to the escom's A1200 internal disk drive and a lots of software is still coming out on floppy disk (I have two external floppy disk drives)
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A) Natami fully supports the orignal AMIGA floppies.
B) Natami can even use regular PC-Floppy drives to read/write original AMIGA-disk The Natami can do everything (and a lot more) that the A1200 could do.
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
27 Oct 2008 10:25
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The Natami can do everything (and a lot more) that the A1200 could do.
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Can do? Does it means that board is finished? Or "Will do" is more appropriate?
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Do you have questions about the Natami?