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Matthew G. Hauge
Sweden

Posts 60
30 Nov 2010 17:07


The desktop PC market is falling, The game machine market i falling, laptop computers and tablet machines are taking over. In all sense the core system of the Natami is the main board and it's architecture.

Why not make the Natami as a machine with a small enough main board that it can be built in to be a tablet machine, laptop or miniature desktop machine? It is really only a matter of allowing 3'rd parties build their own "box" for the main board, and write drivers for touch displays, and other "add on " devices.
The core system will be the same on all machines, so will the software that the machine can run.

Doing this will open a whole new world for the OS, both as a home computer, games machine and commercial product.

Megol .

Posts 672
30 Nov 2010 18:41


Matthew G. hauge wrote:

The desktop PC market is falling, The game machine market i falling, laptop computers and tablet machines are taking over. In all sense the core system of the Natami is the main board and it's architecture.
 
  Why not make the Natami as a machine with a small enough main board that it can be built in to be a tablet machine, laptop or miniature desktop machine? It is really only a matter of allowing 3'rd parties build their own "box" for the main board, and write drivers for touch displays, and other "add on " devices.
  The core system will be the same on all machines, so will the software that the machine can run.
 
  Doing this will open a whole new world for the OS, both as a home computer, games machine and commercial product.

It shouldn't be too hard to do, LVDS adapter for the screen, a microcontroller for keyboard and touchpad, some kind of power supply optionally with battery support. And a case :)


Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom

Posts 821
30 Nov 2010 18:45


170x140mm small enough for you? Natami tablet is an interesting idea, though the software would have to be pretty far removed from AOS/AROS. Never mind the cost... But just like the comics, "what if?"

A laptop wouldn't be particularly hard to do on a hobbyist level. I've seen a few A600 conversions made of wood, for example.

Tell me, what did you think of the G4 cube?

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3974
30 Nov 2010 19:06


Then i have another question Richard i am nearly sure you cannot anwser but still a valid one here.
How thick is the Natami?(is the PCI slot the highest component on the board?)

Anton Antsnark
Russia

Posts 143
30 Nov 2010 19:15


Richard Maudsley wrote:

  170x140mm small enough for you? Natami tablet is an interesting idea, though the software would have to be pretty far removed from AOS/AROS. Never mind the cost... But just like the comics, "what if?"
 
  A laptop wouldn't be particularly hard to do on a hobbyist level. I've seen a few A600 conversions made of wood, for example.
 
  Tell me, what did you think of the G4 cube?
 

 
  ((( A few bears just died in some forest :) )))
  i have asked this question about PCB size several times, and never
  get a clear answer!!!
  Thank You, Richard!!!
  Now i may start to draw the case for my Idea :)  (combo rugged laptop with NatAmi and ARM-SBC, smth like Panda Board; KVM switch and a battery; already have a variant of industrial laptop case ;) )

as for G4 Cube - nice candy toaster-like thing :)
i prefer portable form-factor

PS  what if to make my combo like a two-layer module on a vibration-protected platform? :)

PPS  i really like this military huge and ugly equipment in strange brick-like cases :)

Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom

Posts 821
30 Nov 2010 19:24


assuming my info is still up to date, 24mm tall with CPU card.

Matthew G. Hauge
Sweden

Posts 60
01 Dec 2010 01:32


Richard Maudsley wrote:

170x140mm small enough for you? Natami tablet is an interesting idea, though the software would have to be pretty far removed from AOS/AROS. Never mind the cost... But just like the comics, "what if?"
 
  A laptop wouldn't be particularly hard to do on a hobbyist level. I've seen a few A600 conversions made of wood, for example.
 
  Tell me, what did you think of the G4 cube?

I never really studied The G4 cube, but i guess it has it's purpose. The mainatten board of the natami would need some work to make it useful for a wide range of uses like I am suggesting. In stead of any external connectors at all the natal main board should only have internal. One can always add external connectors as cabled plugs that mount on the Internal  ones for the various external connectors needed for each case. In that way one Will only really need one model of main board. The internal connectors should be: 2x gfx connectors, 8x USB ports, 2x mouse ports, 2x LAN connectors, 4x sata connectors, and one utility port for additional pci or pci-e expansion board(s).
Again, since all connectors are internal it shouldn't be an issue to make a natal tablet machine. Only add Internal wi-fi card, touch screen and other fun expansions, and you've got a tablet. Computer. Only thing left is to program the correct software.



Richard Maudsley
United Kingdom

Posts 821
01 Dec 2010 07:40


shame.

Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
(Moderator)
Posts 5775
01 Dec 2010 08:28


Matthew G. hauge wrote:

The internal connectors should be: 2x gfx connectors, 8x USB ports, 2x mouse ports, 2x LAN connectors, 4x sata connectors, and one utility port for additional pci or pci-e expansion board(s).

And when you write this letter to SANTA please also include:
World Peace, Ethernal live, and a Chrystal Castle for each of us.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3974
01 Dec 2010 09:58


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Matthew G. hauge wrote:

  The internal connectors should be: 2x gfx connectors, 8x USB ports, 2x mouse ports, 2x LAN connectors, 4x sata connectors, and one utility port for additional pci or pci-e expansion board(s).
 

 
  And when you write this letter to SANTA please also include:
  World Peace, Ethernal live, and a Chrystal Castle for each of us.

To be honest eternal life seems boring to me.... :/

Golgoth 27
France

Posts 185
01 Dec 2010 10:44


Can i exchange the castle for an army of evil cats ?

Jens Drößler
Germany

Posts 136
01 Dec 2010 17:23


Come on people, be realistic. The NatAmi is appealling to enthusiasts, not to everyday people. Making it in a mobile form won't make it more appealing. For one it's too late for that, the battle will be between iOS and Android, even WinMobile7 is probably too late for that. Those systems have massive support AND a lot of money behind them.

Take a look at similar concepts: There is a portable gaming device with hardware very very similar to the iPhone3 or even Nokias N900 (in fact it's almost identical to the N900), but do you see many people with that gaming device? I surely don't. And it's even only HALF the price of an iPhone. It runs a linux system. Linux is very well developed right now and there are a lot of apps just in need of recompilation. And still, no big success for the gaming device... Do you really think a portable, pretty much expensive NatAmi system will be a success? The team should stick to what their doing, getting a modern desktop Amiga going.

And by modern, I mean modern, no tech where the successor of the successor is current technology. THAT'S where the system really falls behind.

Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands

Posts 3974
01 Dec 2010 18:03


Jens i have just one minor thing to add to your post.
I agree with you but i like to point out that IMHO smaller would be better for me.(I am a little cramped on space)
I bet some would agree with me that a big box would take too much space.(so i hope for something in the size class of a home NAS)

Matthew G. Hauge
Sweden

Posts 60
01 Dec 2010 19:51


Jens Drößler wrote:

Come on people, be realistic. The NatAmi is appealling to enthusiasts, not to everyday people. Making it in a mobile form won't make it more appealing. For one it's too late for that, the battle will be between iOS and Android, even WinMobile7 is probably too late for that. Those systems have massive support AND a lot of money behind them.
 
  Take a look at similar concepts: There is a portable gaming device with hardware very very similar to the iPhone3 or even Nokias N900 (in fact it's almost identical to the N900), but do you see many people with that gaming device? I surely don't. And it's even only HALF the price of an iPhone. It runs a linux system. Linux is very well developed right now and there are a lot of apps just in need of recompilation. And still, no big success for the gaming device... Do you really think a portable, pretty much expensive NatAmi system will be a success? The team should stick to what their doing, getting a modern desktop Amiga going.
 
  And by modern, I mean modern, no tech where the successor of the successor is current technology. THAT'S where the system really falls behind.

Aren't you being a little pre judging now ??  I am not saying that Natami should make a portable device. I am just saying that you should make the main board so that the option is open. Building the Natami into a cigar box, big box server or tablet machine would be up to the user as a mod option or a 3'rd party company.

To be a little realistic here. Desktop PC's are falling in popularity, So are pure game machines. The race isn't about CPU power any more but applications, concepts and creativity.
Most of all people are looking for small, compact and embedded.

My suggestion was to make the main board such that you are keeping doors open. Who knows. Someone might find the bright idea of using the Natami as a cash register, or information panel.

btw. people where saying that Mac was down and out, and that only Windows mattered in the late nineties. SO how in the world did Android suddenly get so popular, or Apple get their big comeback ??
Who says that there won't be some new "Iphone" phenomena with the Natami and Amiga OS at it's core...


Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
(Moderator)
Posts 5775
01 Dec 2010 19:57


Matthew G. hauge wrote:

  I am just saying that you should make the main board so that the option is open.
 

 
Matthew, please note that the NATAMI mainboad is done.
This means its to late for any design ideas now.
 
But if the NATAMI becomes a success then we can probably take ideas for the NATAMI 2 in a couple of years.

Matthew G. Hauge
Sweden

Posts 60
01 Dec 2010 20:03


Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:

Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

 
 
  And when you write this letter to SANTA please also include:
  World Peace, Ethernal live, and a Chrystal Castle for each of us.
 

 
  To be honest eternal life seems boring to me.... :/

Positive thinking, Creativity and a lot of hard work is what makes progress. Not narrow minded believing that nothing is worth an effort. That's what killed Commodore in the first place.

Matthew G. Hauge
Sweden

Posts 60
01 Dec 2010 20:15


Some more creative thinking. With all the connectors added only as on board pin connectors it would be easier to make something in the lines of a Steampunk project. LOL
I am just waiting to see the first Steampunk Ipad or iphone. Hahaha

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Anton Antsnark
Russia

Posts 143
01 Dec 2010 20:35


Matthew G. hauge wrote:

  I am just waiting to see the first Steampunk Ipad or iphone. Hahaha

Hehe  ^__^  with window on a screen:
To make a Call please fill the tank with 1 litre of distillate water and put some more coal inside

Matthew G. Hauge
Sweden

Posts 60
01 Dec 2010 20:36


Gunnar von Boehn wrote:

Matthew G. hauge wrote:

    I am just saying that you should make the main board so that the option is open.
   

   
  Matthew, please note that the NATAMI mainboad is done.
  This means its to late for any design ideas now.
   
  But if the NATAMI becomes a success then we can probably take ideas for the NATAMI 2 in a couple of years.

Darn, you just killed the cat. LOL
Lets hope that the public can find some cool ideas for the current board.


Asaf Ayoub
United Kingdom

Posts 332
01 Dec 2010 22:04


@thread
 
Linux is not as successful as you may think.

A few companies do not purposely support Linux because there are TOO MANY different Linux OS to support !

Now this may well be a excuse on their part, but that is the policy.



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