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Ernest Unrau
Canada
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Posts 22
22 Feb 2010 16:31
| Interesting announcement here. Makes me wonder if there is a little "angst" that they've left a void that the Natami will fill and perhaps even eclipse OS4?
-Ernesthttp://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=136:hyperion-entertainment-cvba-and-a-eon-technology-cvba-announce-strategic-partnership&catid=36:amigaos-4x&Itemid=18 Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and A-EON Technology CVBA announce strategic partnership Brussels, Belgium – February 20, 2010 Hyperion Entertainment and A-EON have entered into a strategic partnership to provide the Amiga community with a dedicated high-end PowerPC based platform for AmigaOS 4.x which aspires to be worthy of the Amiga hardware tradition going back to the original Amiga 1000 from Commodore. The massively expandable AmigaOne X1000 will inspire both current and former AmigaOS users and will also appeal to those looking to exploit the incredibly versatile onboard functionality offered by the unique “Software Defined Silicon” technology from XMOS (www.xmos.com) which, in true Amiga tradition, provides the AmigaOne X1000 with a custom chipset of potentially unparalleled flexibility and scalability. Software development by Hyperion to bring AmigaOS 4.1, the most advanced incarnation of AmigaOS ever, to the AmigaOne X1000 hardware has been ongoing for quite some time and is progressing very well. More details about the AmigaOne X1000 hardware and housing will be forthcoming from A-EON Technology shortly.
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Flash Lab
Netherlands
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Posts 126
22 Feb 2010 18:32
| Where did you read that "angst" conspiracy theory? I think it's you that wants this "angst" to be real. I think they're not worried a bit at Hyperion and A-EON. Natami and X1000 are two totally different approaches to what an Amiga could be. Natami a specced up classic machine; not meant to be a modern computer and X1000 meant to be modern computer running OS4.x.
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Michael v. Parent
France
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Posts 274
22 Feb 2010 19:42
| sounds really cool and in fact a brilliant way to modernize the "custom chipset" idea. Anyone have a clue or good guess what this baby is going to cost?
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Darren Eveland
Canada
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Posts 26
22 Feb 2010 21:22
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sounds really cool and in fact a brilliant way to modernize the "custom chipset" idea. Anyone have a clue or good guess what this baby is going to cost?
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They said less than the original cost of the Amiga 1000.
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Michael v. Parent
France
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Posts 274
22 Feb 2010 21:32
| wow...so in US dollars, less that 1200 dollars?
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Ernest Unrau
Canada
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Posts 22
23 Feb 2010 00:39
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Where did you read that "angst" conspiracy theory? I think it's you that wants this "angst" to be real. I think they're not worried a bit at Hyperion and A-EON.
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LOL!!! You took that totally in reverse :-) :-) :-) Just goes to show how two different minds can read exactly the same thing and go in opposite directions with it.
Couple of hints that would clue you in to what I meant:
a) The subject: "X1000 a Natami Wannabe?"
Notice I did not say "Natami an X1000 wannabe".
b) I said, "Makes me wonder if there is a little "angst" that they've left a void that the Natami will fill and perhaps even eclipse OS4?" Who is the "they" in "they've"? Notice I did NOT say "...that WE'VE left a void that the X1000 and OS4 will fill and even eclipse the Natami."
But I apologize if this seems sarcastic. I see you're from the Netherlands and perhaps English is not your first language. And I hope THAT does NOT seem sarcastic, because you are doing much better than I could do in any language besides English.
No, I'm not the one with angst. I was simply musing if Hyperion/ACube/A-EON and whoever are getting anxious ("angst") about the void they've left that Natami is poised to fill. Why else would they say,
"The massively expandable AmigaOne X1000 will inspire both current and former AmigaOS users and will also appeal to those looking to exploit the incredibly versatile onboard functionality offered by the unique 'Software Defined Silicon' technology from XMOS (www.xmos.com) which, in true Amiga tradition, provides the AmigaOne X1000 with a custom chipset of potentially unparalleled flexibility and scalability."
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and furthermore they say this project,
"...aspires to be worthy of the Amiga hardware tradition going back to the original Amiga 1000 from Commodore."
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Now, there's not enough detail there to know just what that means. Will they be looking for classic compatibility in the same way that Natami can/will achieve? Or are they merely looking to create an illusion, a look and feel of the classic Amiga computer?
Anyhow, it suggests to me that Hyperion realizes that they've blazed a trail that no one is following, that it's finally dawned on them that they've left a void, a disconnect and this X1000 is an effort to plug that hole - perhaps they have hopes they can achieve that before the Natami can actually be made available to the public and that market niche slips out of their hands.
Natami and X1000 are two totally different approaches to what an Amiga could be. Natami a specced up classic machine; not meant to be a modern computer and X1000 meant to be modern computer running OS4.x.
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Whether they really are two different approaches remains to be seen. But if their sole intent was to be a modern computer, why even mention the 1000? The 3000 was arguably the all-around best package of the classic line. If they want to go back to the 1000 then methinks they are really missing the mark.
So, just to reiterate - I'm inclined to think this Natami project has raised a little concern on the part of Hyperion and partners. "Angst" is what I read into THEIR announcement.
I hope that's clear now.
Ernest
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Ernest Unrau
Canada
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Posts 22
23 Feb 2010 00:47
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Michael V. Parent wrote:
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sounds really cool and in fact a brilliant way to modernize the "custom chipset" idea. Anyone have a clue or good guess what this baby is going to cost?
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They said less than the original cost of the Amiga 1000.
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Where does it say that? I quoted their entire press release verbatim and there is no mention of cost there. They only say their partnership aims to "...provide the Amiga community with a dedicated high-end PowerPC based platform for AmigaOS 4.x which aspires to be worthy of the Amiga hardware tradition going back to the original Amiga 1000 from Commodore." Ernest
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Flash Lab
Netherlands
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Posts 126
23 Feb 2010 19:10
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I see you're from the Netherlands and perhaps English is not your first language. And I hope THAT does NOT seem sarcastic, because you are doing much better than I could do in any language besides English.
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Nah, seeing that you're from Canada I assume you speak French fluently and I fairly suck at French; pardon my French...
Anyway, thanks for the hints but I think I understood your post perfectly well; with you meaning that Hyperion/A-EON are fearing that Natami will hurt their X1000. But I don't agree with you; that's why I said:
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I think they're not worried a bit at Hyperion and A-EON.
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In fact I think Hyperion has no interest in classic AmigaOS and 68k hardware. Hyperion's employees have posted so numerous times on several boards.
Ernest Unrau wrote:
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"...provide the Amiga community with a dedicated high-end PowerPC based platform for AmigaOS 4.x which aspires to be worthy of the Amiga hardware tradition going back to the original Amiga 1000 from Commodore."
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Here you quoted Hyperion/A-EON and there you have your answer to your angst-theory. Natami!=PPC and doesn't run OS4 (yet?).
So maybe I misread all this English again and am I missing obvious points; so please enlighten me again. In what way does the X1000 wants to be a Natami?
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Peroxide Chicken
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Posts 9
24 Feb 2010 00:52
| Oh! I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me! Is it 'cause any kind of custom chippery is the exclusive province of the NatAmi project? All this us and them bs in the Amiga scene makes about as much sense as Gigabyte motherboard uses trying to make a meaningful distinction between themselves and Asus motherboard users. Live and let live - and try doing something creative and uplifting once in a while.
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Ralph Eisermann
Germany
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Posts 58
24 Feb 2010 02:38
| to me this looks like a developer machine für the Xena Prozessor. Of Course, a PCI Board für x86 would do it as well ;). This Xena X1 is quite interesting, but it seems too slow for high speed tasks, and this will limit the interest on the one hand, on the other hand a array of xenas could be interesting. But I also think they had better added an FPGA für Amiga emulation.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
24 Feb 2010 06:44
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Oh! I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me! Is it 'cause any kind of custom chippery is the exclusive province of the NatAmi project?
All this us and them bs in the Amiga scene makes about as much sense as Gigabyte motherboard uses trying to make a meaningful distinction between themselves and Asus motherboard users. Live and let live - and try doing something creative and uplifting once in a while.
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Oh but Gigabyte MoBo's are better, they are build to last when compared to Asus overclock motherboards.
And the service at Gigabyte is 2 weeks instead of the 3 months at every other motherboard baker.
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Peroxide Chicken
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Posts 9
24 Feb 2010 20:53
| I had no idea - but you're just havin' a wheeze, right? I picked the first two motherboard manufactures that came to mind. As it happens, my own desktop system uses an Asus mb - it's someone else's offcast but I've never had a problem with it. Well, aside from the extreme nuisance of having to add more memory and bigger hard drives to it from time to time. ;)
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 2100
24 Feb 2010 21:27
| Peroxide chicken, the Chances increases not by division but by exponent. So considering the number of people here the chance of someone knowing something about, well, something increases. Besides, i like computers in general i can tell you 10 points why gigabyte is better then any other maker, I can do the same of the other AAA class MoBo makers. BTW the point of this topic have been proven to be false, since both systems have different goals.
We talked about this in the previous Topic about the X1000.
The Natami is to work with the legacy 68K AOS.
The X1000 is a oddity, nothing more, and without specific code for the chip would be even a wasteful design IMHO. Biased opinion, Marcel.
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Peroxide Chicken
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Posts 9
25 Feb 2010 01:07
| The other guy from the Netherlands was much cooler. btw I couldn't care less about product a vs product b - go do something impressive with it.
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Casey R Williams
USA
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Posts 97
25 Feb 2010 01:23
| Even though every other company in our history has been involved in allowing some kind of rift to form, eventually someone has to make a good decision. We're overdue. Their machine is a very different beast. It might even make a good companion to developing for Natami, should I want to use blender for modeling or creating 3D animated sequences. How hard would it be for them to do a 68k 4.x realistically? Why not maintain one as a subset of the other if there is a persistent demand for both? It's not hedging your bets, its leveraging your assets.
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Ralph Eisermann
Germany
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Posts 58
25 Feb 2010 19:36
| Casey R. : The problem with Amiga was that our scene as well as some other scenes show the same negative aspects as political or religious sects. It is a bit like "Life of Brian". The smaller the group gets, the more radicals are dominant. This explains why not long ago some guys still defended AI. I think blue and red and their fractions have undergone a process auf radicalization, are hermetically thinking and do only what they decided long ago. A apple like approach with a new microkernel, BSD and Anubis on top would be the more realistic approach. Just my 0.02$ ;)
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Do you have questions about the Natami?