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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
24 Jul 2008 11:00
| Among the (lots of) stupid questions that I have read in these forums, I have to add another one. When ALL this is done, and when I 'll get my DevBoard, can your team design a GFX-like card for eg. A1200D feauturing SuperAga?
Is it even possible?
Or maybe a complete "AGA replacement" kit for classic Amigas? Ok, let's see the flames :-P
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Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania
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Posts 607
24 Jul 2008 19:13
| it must have very fasty ram onboard and... in fact it could be just the natami060+dsp miniaturized on a expansionboard... jajaja:)
I saw in George's mind... ...he will to pay the BOM...;)
I am in for replacing the innards of the A 1200 and have a cool A1200N!!
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George Mystiloglou
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Posts 295
25 Jul 2008 10:07
| In fact there are many (Greek) Natami enthousiasts who would like to "boost" their A1200D with "Natami goodies" :)
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Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania
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Posts 607
26 Jul 2008 04:29
| ONCE THE NATAMI CONSUMER VERSION COMES OUT ... ITS A CHIP ... PLUS A BOARD ... COULD BE MADE TO FIT.. VERY GEEKY...
some actions just require enough 'honey' because the idea is ready:)...
of course many features of the natami would not work through a 1200 mobo.... thus removing it is simpler and leaves more space then necessary...o.o
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
26 Jul 2008 10:51
| George Mystiloglou wrote:
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Among the (lots of) stupid questions that I have read in these forums, I have to add another one.
When ALL this is done, and when I 'll get my DevBoard, can your team design a GFX-like card for eg. A1200D feauturing SuperAga?
Is it even possible?
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I don't think that someone will buy this.
Such a SuparAGA card would be as expensive as a real Natami but would be limited a lot by the A1200 in total speed.
The Natami is 100 times for powerful than your A1200 and fully backward compatible. If we would create a A1200 upgrade kit then it would be limited by the limits of the A1200. This means such a Kit would costs as much as a complete Natami but only have 10th of the speed.Don't you agree that it will be better for the people to buy the complete Natami than using a upgrade Kit for the A1200? Cheers
Gunnar
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Silent Hill
Espania
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Posts 4
26 Jul 2008 12:48
| And a Natami Board for Zorro Slot? Greetings.
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
26 Jul 2008 13:47
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And a Natami Board for Zorro Slot?
Greetings.
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Would be a bad idea either, as the real Natami is about 150 times faster than your Zorro bus.Where is the point in trying to upgrade you old rusty hardware that might fall apart every day? The New Natami will hold much longer than your old A2000/A4000 might be. And the new Natami is magnitudes faster than an upgraded classic AMIGA. Cheers
Gunnar
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Silent Hill
Espania
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Posts 4
26 Jul 2008 14:25
| Undoubtedly Natami is quicker several times that the bus Zorro, but the idea is that Natami has access to other cards Zorro also working in an isolated way inside a box classic Amiga as an A4000 or an A3000. But the board Natami Zorro would only contain all the functions of a mother board natami (memory, custom chips, 60070, ned, USB...) in a card Zorro with access to the bus Zorro and other funtions of the original Amiga Mother board like ports...
A greeting.
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
26 Jul 2008 15:51
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But the board Natami Zorro would only contain all the functions of a mother board natami (memory, custom chips, 60070, ned, USB...) in a card Zorro with access to the bus Zorro and other funtions of the original Amiga Mother board like ports...
A greeting.
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Hmm, I'm not sure I understand this correctly.
Your seem to imply that there are functions on the original AMIGA motherboard that it would make sense to use from the Natami. I can not think of anything that was on the AMIGA motherboard that is not as well on the Natami. Which function would you like to re-use from the Amiga mainboard? Cheers
Gunnar
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Fahed Al Daye
Canada
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Posts 282
26 Jul 2008 19:04
| Don't forget also that Natami is A TRUE classic Amiga here. It is not like minimig or any of those false pretense Amiga classic or emulators, Natami is what the next classic Amiga would have being with AAA had Commodore not died. In a way, if you lose your A1200 you will not cry for it because you have Natami as the next Amiga 1200 but better than the previous A1200, it will have all the magical colors and feel and personality and everything we fell in love with the classic Amiga on Natami+more. It will be insane to request to hack your A1200 at this point, at least with Natami you can watch a movie one AN AGA and not video card, think of SuperAGA as the next new custom chip and not some fake Nvidia card chip on a PC run by Amiga emulator. You know what I mean?
To me, I will use Natami to build modern feel game on the system and will run all my classic retro game on my A1200 even though Natami can run them with the same quality as classic Amiga 1200.
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Fabian Nunez
USA
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Posts 312
26 Jul 2008 20:33
| I think people just want some form of emotional connection between the old and the new... I'm not saying it would be commercially viable, but I'd bet that a kit to "upgrade" an A1200 to a natAmi by letting you swap out the motherboard (ie a NatAmi in an A1200 form factor, with connectors for the A1200 keyboard, floppy and IDE) would be very well received.
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Wawa Tk
Germany
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Posts 581
26 Jul 2008 20:33
| i understand that silent_hill's idea is that an original amiga motherboard could be (mis)used as an interface to access zorro boards by the natami chip that would be planted into processor slot like any other turboboard. i cannot think of no actual functionality that could be achieved that way apart of compatibility to some antique hardware that is either obsolete or could be otherwise emulated edit: if anything taken from this project could be used to uptune the "classic" amigas some day, then a turboboard based on an "68070" might make sense (or acttualy might not, but amiga community isnt logical anyway, and im sure a lot of peaple would demand such a hardware). that said, i wouldnt research now in this direction. keep the right focus.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania
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Posts 607
26 Jul 2008 20:51
| Fabian Nunez wrote:
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I think people just want some form of emotional connection between the old and the new... I'm not saying it would be commercially viable, but I'd bet that a kit to "upgrade" an A1200 to a natAmi by letting you swap out the motherboard (ie a NatAmi in an A1200 form factor, with connectors for the A1200 keyboard, floppy and IDE) would be very well received. |
yes. I agree... very well received. it's an A1200 niche...
how many machines have been sold of that and what would be the estimate of A1200 Users Today...???
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Fahed Al Daye
Canada
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Posts 282
26 Jul 2008 21:12
| @Gunnar von Boehn
Keep up the good work don't let us emotional kids thwart you from the right direction. I am looking forward for Natami as before, that will be the platform that I will express my programming skills.
* rubs hand together then wipes out the droll * I have one question though, would you allow us to use normal PCI slot and buy normal hardware from any computer store and hook it into Natami like a PC? For example, if I want to microbytes.com and order me a sound card, would natami is accept it and just a matter of drivers to get it working? CAN YOU IMAGINE how CHEAP now and how powerful and versatile if that is the case? We can now finally use the classic Amiga to user normal standard PC hardware for upgrades and Lego ways. You guys know what I mean by Lego ways, right? If that is the case in the future with newer version of Natami, would make it a normal size motherboard like the standard x86 so that when I tower it in a normal PC case I can install things like Blue writer, many eternal HDs, etc and still grin at the thought of my power LED flashing when the PC crashes?! PEOPLE NATAMI is the actual key, Natami is the actual success for us Amiga hardware out there. This is it boys, this is the solution for all our problems. Now all we have to do is now is actually see it become a reality and not some awesome dream.
I mean the only downside to all of this is that Natami doesn't PPC, but if it could, if the expansion slot allows for PPC cards then we have the solution here..and if they could upgrade their SuperAGA in the future when they know that this project have become a success and profit nicely from it, then hopefully we will be able to have different and newer versions of custom chiset.
You guys have to know that SuperAGA is a custom Chipset much like AGA, ECS, OCS, etc...so if this becomes a success they could make for example SuperAGA II or something like that, that matches with bar for example with modern hardware...woohoo!!
FINALLY AN AMIGA CLASSIC OR AN AMIGA that have their own custom chipset but as equally powerful as a normal video card...I love this boys!
I love it!I have just one request for Gunnar von Boehn and here it is below: Please, please, please, deal with Amigakit.come dealer. I love that dealer so much, I want to buy from them this product but not just the motherboard, please I want to order the complete system, that comes in a nice box with a keyboard, mouse, case, optical media storage, disk drive, HD, everything. I want to order it like I would have ordered a brand new Amiga 500 from a dealer back then when it was alive and successful, I hate minimig where I have to buy the naked board and build it on my own, I hate efika where that is the case too..although now there is a place that you can buy it complete system but from a different source. I would love it so much if I can buy this guy with it's own logo on the case like Commodore 64 had and Amiga had with a complete design case for it and keyboard specially for it, mouse, etc. Thanks in advance.
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Vincent Greene
Poland
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Posts 17
26 Jul 2008 22:48
| Fabian Nunez wrote:
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I think people just want some form of emotional connection between the old and the new... I'm not saying it would be commercially viable, but I'd bet that a kit to "upgrade" an A1200 to a natAmi by letting you swap out the motherboard (ie a NatAmi in an A1200 form factor, with connectors for the A1200 keyboard, floppy and IDE) would be very well received.
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Wow, we sure seem to be paying a lot of attention to the form, not only the content :D Sure, booting what seems like an A1200 into an orgy of 24 bit colour and 16 bit sound and realtime 3d rendering would impress our friends (well, those who know what Amiga is in the first place). But do we really need this? The main point of Natami, as I see it, is to eventually become a consumer product, which is available not only to hobbyists, but to the newbies as well, both in terms of ease of use and affordibility. Remember there are people who never tried to learn to program or never disassembled their A500. From what I know, there are still new generations of nerds that had their first computer when Commodore was dying, and now would love to start their Amiga experience from scratch.
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Fahed Al Daye
Canada
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Posts 282
26 Jul 2008 23:32
| Vincent Greene hit the jackpot.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko
Espania
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Posts 607
27 Jul 2008 00:31
| Yeah...TAK TO JEST.. from scratch!:)
sci+fi:: a program for a future:
somebody might just be 'crazy' enough and do it...:)
'custom molding' becomes so cheap that you wrap your sandwich and those of your neighbors into a miniature A1200N Custom Case... every day...:)
You are famous for doing that and sponsor from your enormous fortune Generous 333 Millions of Euros to restart from scratch and advance... deep into the AmigaNatamiFuture...
how is that for a becoming...?)')
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Asaf Ayoub
United Kingdom
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Posts 332
27 Jul 2008 02:15
| thats a bad idea. The natami will have to slow down and wait for classic machines. What happens when classic motherboard fails ? We need a fresh start ppl.
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Fahed Al Daye
Canada
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Posts 282
27 Jul 2008 03:19
| Exactly Asaf Ayoub that is what I am saying all along. Natami is the way to go for Amiga, ones it become complete and allow us to watch things like youtube, or websites with online video, dvd movie, with jahc's wookiechat and MSN, and powerful configuration Amiga might become a second option for modern day usage. I believe with specs like Natami we will be able to port FireFox easily without any speed problem and so on.
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Thomas Clarke
United Kingdom
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Posts 286
27 Jul 2008 10:35
| @Fayed Al Daye
Off topic, but I'd like to correct you about the Minimig. The Minimig is not an Amiga software emulator it contains a hardware recreation of an Amiga custom chipset (OCS, with ECS coming soon, and AGA at some point hopefully). This is the same approach to classic Amiga compatibility taken by the Natami (and Clone-A for that matter). Also, you can buy Minimig boards pre-assembled through ACube resellers (shipping to Canada isn't a problem here), and two case designs have been produced for it already.By all means wait for the Natami if you prefer the goals of the design, but don't diss the Minimig based on false (or outdated) claims okay.
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