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Who Owns the Rights to OS3page  1 2 3 
Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
(Moderator)
Posts 5775
12 Aug 2009 15:53


Does anyone know (which company) who does own the right to OS3 or OS3.1 or OS 3.5, OS3.9 ?

Michael Ward
USA

Posts 234
12 Aug 2009 16:26


Now there is the right question!

Furthermore, what is it they believe in? What is their mode of operation in regards to these ownership rights? Do they or do they not have interests in the Amiga community that still persists to this day? And will they play ball in regards to the many Amiga resurrection efforts? (including Natami)
 

Søren Jepsen
Denmark

Posts 4
12 Aug 2009 17:29


Are there any plans to bring back Aros to 68K compile?

Thierry Atheist
Canada

Posts 1828
12 Aug 2009 20:14


Well, Hyperion Entertainment HAVE the AOS3.1 source code.

I am looking forward to Hyperion Entertainment winning the court case, becoming the owner of said source code, and making a new version for NatAmi. But not AOS4.0, as it's looking at getting MP, which can't be used on later versions of NatAmi thus would be useless.

Also, AOS4.0 has PPC assembler segments, and would make it hard to convert. Of course, those parts may not really be relevant to NatAmi HW anyhow. Unfortunately, AOS3.x and 4.x diverge.

Doesn't mean that BOTH OSs aren't a class act!!!!!!

Because of how things have worked out, we need both. Let AI have AOS5. ;-)

My preference is that AOS3.1 source code is poured over, looking to see if there are any bugs, and new enhancements added, and I wouldn't mind some of it being done in assembler, too. :-)))))

As long as it doesn't cross 10 Megs. Excepting new fonts.

Channel Z

Posts 227
12 Aug 2009 20:45


Thierry, why do you want AmigaOS to be in the hands of a small company with an uncertain future instead of the community itself?
I suspect that you still care about trademarks and the name "Amiga" more than a good future for Amiga hobbyists.

It is not commercially viable at all to start coding new versions of OS 3 as a company today.
In fact, if I ran Hyperion I would absolutely not do it even if i won the court case. It would be outright stupid given the resources I had (two contractors already busy with another OS). I would also take into consideration that I could be dragged back into legal battles anytime, with the risk of my company dying.

It would also be extremely arrogant to ignore the efforts already made with AROS. It is in every way a modern OS 3.x. It just needs to be compiled for 68k. If I owned the source code I would license it under the AROS license to be merged with the AROS codebase, to the benefit of _every_ Amiga effort and operating system.
Not just for some trademark sectarianists.

Aros Aa
United Kingdom

Posts 83
12 Aug 2009 21:10


What improvements could actually be added to OS3? Memory protection built in we will not see.

However, a DVD player would be a good thing to create.

Will the Natami consumer version be fast enough to play a dvd film at right speed?

Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
(Moderator)
Posts 5775
12 Aug 2009 21:20


My post was really a serious question:
 
Does anyone know who osn the rights to:

AMIGA OS 3.0
AMIGA OS 3.1
AMIGA OS 3.5
AMIGA OS 3.9
 
 
Please help me here and try to answer this.

When this is found out we can chat all do long about memory protection and the possible DVD playback features of the NATAMI, ok? :-)

David Ferguson
USA

Posts 34
12 Aug 2009 21:26


Gunner,

I think that the Amiga souce code is held up in an ongoing leagle battle right now between Hyperion and Amiga Inc.  So, I don't think there is a clear answer until the courts decide.

Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
(Moderator)
Posts 5775
12 Aug 2009 21:28


David Ferguson wrote:

Gunner,
 
  I think that the Amiga souce code is held up in an ongoing leagle battle right now between Hyperion and Amiga Inc.  So, I don't think there is a clear answer until the courts decide.

Is this legal battle about OS3 or OS4 or both?

On which OS version was OS4 based?

Cheers

David Ferguson
USA

Posts 34
12 Aug 2009 21:31


I am not 100% certain.  But I do belive that the big issue is OS4.  But I would not doubt that the entire AmigaOS code is in limbo right now.

If your looking to make inquiries I would start with Hyperion

Channel Z

Posts 227
12 Aug 2009 21:37


I heard something about Hyperion not getting source code from Amiga Inc. and having to buy H&P:s 3.5/3.9 source for making OS4. Does anyone know exactly what happened there?

Aros Aa
United Kingdom

Posts 83
12 Aug 2009 21:42


Amiga Inc I think own OS 3.5 and 3.9, i.e. when you buy it from AmigaKit and other places, Amiga Inc get money for it.

Asaf Ayoub
United Kingdom

Posts 332
12 Aug 2009 21:43


here is apost about Amiga patents:

Amiga.org
EXTERNAL LINK 
executive update, Jan 3, 2000
EXTERNAL LINK 
Here is what was acquired from Gateway:

1. All trademarks logo's etc.
2. All existing inventory of Amiga International
3. All existing licenses.
4. License to All Amiga patents (Gateway still owns the patents, but we are able to use them).
5. All web sites, and registered domain names.
6. The Amiga OS and all that is associated with the OS.
7. The Amiga operation as it exists today.

Gateway
EXTERNAL LINK _Inc

On October 16, 2007 the acquisition by Acer became final and Gateway became a privately held company and a wholly-owned subsidiary of Acer. The board of directors resigned and a new board was appointed.

Gateway, now Acer owns the Amiga Patents ?
Maybe get a licence the same way ?

Or just use AROS and finally support the community OS ?



Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
(Moderator)
Posts 5775
12 Aug 2009 21:49


Asaf Ayoub wrote:

  Or just use AROS and finally support the community OS ?
 

 
Does AROS run on classic 68K?

Does AROS support the full classic chipset?
-Paula Audio ?
-Amiga Floppy ?
-Amiga Sprites ?
-Cias?
 
Does AROS has a Kickstart equivialent that allows it to load and play floppy based OCS or AGA games?
 
 

Asaf Ayoub
United Kingdom

Posts 332
12 Aug 2009 22:00


alot of work needs to be done in this area. AFA ?

David Ferguson
USA

Posts 34
12 Aug 2009 22:01


Now guys, lets not get into this Aros vs AmigaOS.  I love Aros but we all know it is not 'finished' and even if completly ported to 68k would not represent a complete replacement.

In this case I would like to see more work for AFA, which is currently done by one man I belive. 

Nice thing is that the Aros lic is flexable enought that if someone had the old AmigaOS code we could probably get a really cool AFA out of it.

David

Wawa Tk
Germany

Posts 581
12 Aug 2009 23:45


atheist: do you really think hyperion would do any updates to 3.x once they have the rights granted? funny.

@gunnar: i dont expect anyone here to have dependable answer to your question. that stuff is being discussed on every amiga site i know for years. why do you care to ask anyway? you repeatedly said it is no problem, since you can have licences from cloanto?

Gone Gahgah
Australia

Posts 237
13 Aug 2009 00:35


Gunnar

I think the best and simplest option for having OS3.0, OS3.1, OS3.5 & OS3.9 on Natami is to on-licence Amiga Forever from Cloanto who have done the hard yards obtaining the various licences already.

The following give a good low down on what seems to have been a complicated process:
EXTERNAL LINK  EXTERNAL LINK

Fabian Nunez
USA

Posts 312
13 Aug 2009 02:05


Olaf Barthel at one time had enough control over the 3.1 source code to be allowed to modernize it and get rid of the BCPL dependencies.  I don't know if he "owned" it or was just a contractor though.  In any case, I'd start the search with him; he should know more about the legal status of 3.1 than the people who worked directly on 4.0.

Later versions (3.5 and 3.9) belonged to Haage&Partner, for some reason (personal? money?) Hyperion was not able to obtain the source to those.


Channel Z

Posts 227
13 Aug 2009 04:16


Olaf has been active and among other things updated Subversion lately. His e-mail address as written on Aminet is obarthel(at)gmx(dot)net.

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