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Gunnar von Boehn Germany
| | (Moderator) Posts 5775 01 Apr 2009 19:44
| Barchart is updated. For comparison I've added results for the A1200 68020 and the sclaed results for the 68060@90.
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Gio G. Germany
| | Posts 24 01 Apr 2009 19:48
| Thanks Gunnar for the update. Looks good so far!
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Loïc Dupuy France
| | Posts 253 03 Apr 2009 17:01
| Firt, i must confess that i'm very enthousiast about the natami project and the 68070 soft-core. I'm reading the forum daily for about a month. And all i was dreaming about an ideal Amiga after my A4000+60 will come for true. It's perfect in every corner, 100% compatibility: check Speed Increase : super check Chipset enheancement : super checkAs soon as a N70 is out, i will buy it, even to "just have it in my hands" and even if it's pricer than planned at first. I humbly dare to propose a name for the soft-core : 69k It will put aside legal litigation with the name 68070 wich was used in the CD-I Philips. And it's a more "sexy" name, as all the post i read on it make it realy realy hot on computational side. It is too, very dreamy specifications. When i put my mind back in the 1993. I would have kill to have this kind of performance. All my wishes and hopes for this project.
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Jacek Rafal Tatko Espania
| | Posts 607 03 Apr 2009 17:42
| 69K... and the "Performance of the 68070 Pipeline", hmm... LOL as usual we are 'on topic'...
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 03 Apr 2009 19:11
| 69k.. hahaha! cool. why not 69xxx then? you have guts to drop in here just like that and piss on our parade. lol :)
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Gunnar von Boehn Germany
| | (Moderator) Posts 5775 03 Apr 2009 20:25
| Loïc DUPUY wrote:
| Firt, i must confess that i'm very enthousiast about the natami project and the 68070 soft-core.
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Welcome to the site. Well, the name 69000 is not bad. What I like about the 68070 name is that shows both heratige and improvement to the 68060 CPU and that the name shows the full compatibilty to the 68K line ... But that's just my opinion.
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 03 Apr 2009 21:05
| wawa tk wrote:
| 69k.. hahaha! cool. why not 69xxx then? you have guts to drop in here just like that and piss on our parade. lol :)
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Hello wawa tk,LOL!!!!!!!!! So disturbingly smutty,..... I likey. :-D Maybe, we love computers toooo much? Hmmmmm,..... naahhhh, that is IMPOSSIBLE! ;-) :-DDDDD But really, NatAmi, the way it's envisioned, is the PERFECT computer! BIG HUGE performance with mamoth ram availability and storage capacity, near INFINITE flexibility, sleek algorithm set, and low low low low internal OS footprint (low power and memory consumpution). I still can't get over this: AOS 3.9 ~400K / 512,000K = .07812% of ram used!!! (I don't really know how big AOS is, but I'd say I'm pretty close.) Sometimes "new" < > "progress".
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Team Chaos Leader USA
| | (Moderator) Posts 2094 03 Apr 2009 21:28
| Loïc DUPUY wrote:
| It will put aside legal litigation with the name 68070 wich was used in the CD-I Philips. |
Numbers are not patentable. The End. Numbers are not copyrightable. The End. Numbers are not trademarkable. The End. A picture of a number in a specific color and font could possibly maybe be trademarked but it would be stupid to attempt such a thing and would end up costing millions of $$$ in lawyer fees. We are free to use the number 68070 for any purpose that we want.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3976 04 Apr 2009 10:39
| @Thierry 512Mb isn't 512.000 Kb 512Mb*1024=524288Kb RAM does scale bit wise unlike Harddrives. but still true 400Kb isn't that much nowadays
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 04 Apr 2009 12:17
| well then: 69xxx hahaha! why not?
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Team Chaos Leader USA
| | (Moderator) Posts 2094 04 Apr 2009 12:48
| The 69xxx will be able to input and output at the same time. It will be able to simultaneously write to the cache and read from the cache in the same clock cycle as long as they are different locations. This action can be repeated very rapidly but there may be a lot of heat build-up, possibly resulting in an eruption. The 69xxx will be directly coupled to Agnus, Denise, Paula and Amber. The 69xxx can poke Paula, Agnus, Denise or Amber at will. When operating under the 69xxx, Paula and Agnus will obey every command given. In the Amiga architecture, the 69xxx is the Master and Paula, Agnus, Denise and Amber are slaves. ;)
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 04 Apr 2009 13:21
| but we will introduce a new custom chip codenamed "lillith" which will not obey 69xxx, and could eventually take over the whole system, and perhaps the user too.
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Bartek "Banter" K. Poland
| | (Natami Team) Posts 2277 04 Apr 2009 13:35
| LOL:))
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Marcel Verdaasdonk Netherlands
| | Posts 3976 05 Apr 2009 00:41
| Team Chaos Leader wrote:
| It will be able to simultaneously write to the cache and read from the cache in the same clock cycle as long as they are different locations.
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I think I should look it up in my big badass hardware book but i thought you could read and write to VRAM at the same time at the same address. but that is totaly off topic, just a question why do we wander off?
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Team Chaos Leader USA
| | (Moderator) Posts 2094 05 Apr 2009 05:25
| I predict 5,000 unit sales per year of NatAmi 69xxx edition to the porn industry. Plus an extra +10,000 sales if we rename it to TnAmi. ;D The New Amiga.
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Loïc Dupuy France
| | Posts 253 06 Apr 2009 18:59
| wawa tk wrote:
| 69k.. hahaha! cool. why not 69xxx then? you have guts to drop in here just like that and piss on our parade. lol :)
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It was just an idea put on the table. Of course is up on the natami team to have the idea to be or not to be picked. I knew there was risk of "smutty collateral damage" with this kind of name, but it was more a artillery barrage of them :-) (did not think about 69xxx, doooh)
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Wawa Tk Germany
| | Posts 581 06 Apr 2009 20:36
| no, seriously, since after 68070 the possible following version numbers are getting tight yours is maybe not a bad idea. but it is difficult to hold back at 69, u see. :P this is now very ot.:o
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Richard GATINEAU France
| | Posts 107 06 Apr 2009 21:52
| 68000 was for the number of transistors embeded. 68070 look good, because it's 68K compatible and improve 68060 version.
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 07 Apr 2009 22:05
| I was wondering, the 68060 has 8 KB data and 8 KB instruction memory inside the CPU. So, do you have any idea how many LEs are left over/available to make this internal ram for the 68070? Is there a point where, more is less, for instance 32 KB of each is great, but 64 is interfering with too many misses, and therefore flushes vs. usable data being available. (Well, that's kind of the best I could word it.) Hmmmmm, a secondary ram area inside the CPU that DOES NOT get flushed, because it doesn't have to..... where you could put often used SW, like ppmore, dir, list, lha, and other PURE commands,.... or the OS itself, DPaint, etc., if it was big enough!!!!! This is unique, as the 1 MB cache in an intel gets flushed if what ISN'T NEEDED isn't THERE, while THIS segment of CPU ram cache would NOT get flushed, but utilized WHEN NEEDED. BASICALLY, RESIDENT SW inside the CPU ITSELF! Does ANYONE ELSE have this, or is ABLE to have THIS? (This is OUR computer.) _ONLY_,..... AMIGA makes it POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!! (I believe there was someone else besides me that thought NatAmi could change computing? :-D :-D :-D )
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Gunnar von Boehn Germany
| | (Moderator) Posts 5775 07 Apr 2009 22:13
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
| I was wondering, the 68060 has 8 KB data and 8 KB instrution memory inside the CPU. So, do you have any idea how many LEs are left over/available to make this internal ram for the 68070?
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You can NOT use LE for cache as LE are much to expensive to build a cache out of them. 1 LE gives you only 1 bit. The 68060 did have 16KB of cache + tags this is ~ 20KB total. This would cost you 20,000 LE. The way to build a cache is to use the embedded build in SRAM for the cache. Many FPGA have certain amount of SRAM. We have to share the SRAM of the FPGA for buffers for the SuperAGA chipset, for cache for the 3Dcore, and for cache for the 070. Our current plan is to allocate ~ 36KB to the caches of the 070. I think this would give a good performance mix to each unit.
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