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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Jun 2012 09:18
| Why should we choosse the way Thomas keeps on with his project?
Is it so hard to understand he wants his space and his time to work on it?
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Ville H.
Finland
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Posts 144
06 Jun 2012 10:30
| @Erik
Nothing wrong with suggestions IMO. Thomas will re-appear as he has found some peaceful work-time and has something to announce us - I want to believe! :)
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Erik Bauer
Italy
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Posts 301
06 Jun 2012 11:00
| Fact is, most people grow a lot of expectations and puts a lot of "you should" in his suggestions. But that's just my own feeling.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 64
09 Jun 2012 07:33
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Fact is, most people grow a lot of expectations and puts a lot of "you should" in his suggestions. But that's just my own feeling.
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After so many years if you can not make suggestions, you can not make requests, can not ask when the project will be released,
What are we doing in this forum?
(ecchecca..o)
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
09 Jun 2012 09:45
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After so many years if you can not make suggestions, you can not make requests, can not ask when the project will be released,
What are we doing in this forum?
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Of course people should be allowed to come with ideas, suggestions and requests. This was one of the reasons why this forum was opened in the first place.Regarding (the never ending?) questions about when the project will be released, I think there is no reason to continue asking, because the simple answer seems to be "no one knows" (I'm pretty sure that even Thomas does not have a clear answer). The best thing we can do is to lean back and enjoy a cup of tea while we keep our fingers crossed (I'm afraid that's the only thing we can do at the moment). When Thomas has something to share with us, I guess he'll let us know. The current status of the project seems to be something like this: * The Captain (Thomas H) has left the ship temporary * The chief mate (Gunnar) has left the ship temporary * The seamen (the rest of the Natami team) are still on board * The rats (regular forum users): Most are still on board, but some
have chosen to swim ashore because they had a plane to catch ... :-D
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 64
09 Jun 2012 12:10
| Joe M wrote:
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* The chief mate (Gunnar) has left the ship temporary
* The seamen (the rest of the Natami team) are still on board
* The rats (regular forum users): Most are still on board, but some
have chosen to swim ashore because they had a plane to catch ... :-D
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:-D good example really :-D , it is important to understand where the ship is going and if it's not sinking ;)
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Sascha B
Germany
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Posts 131
09 Jun 2012 16:36
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* The rats (regular forum users): Most are still on board, but some
have chosen to swim ashore because they had a plane to catch ... :-D
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Be a rat ;D
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Lord Aga
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Posts 129
09 Jun 2012 17:15
| Well... better a rat than semen :)
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Darren Couch
USA
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Posts 24
15 Jun 2012 15:16
| Not a lot of activity on the TEAM tab - last posts were April or so. Also some ominous titles of threads.
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
15 Jun 2012 17:45
| some could say i am counter productive. I am saying i am here just to remind some about some of the pitfalls they all to good know.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 64
29 Jun 2012 09:05
| Time passes without any significant news, more often leaders of this project have been questioned but now I think you have to resign. Natami or whatever his name probably will never see the light (at least not soon). Why not create a completely open source alternative project? I would not be able but I would like to collaborate with others or "observe the developments". I do not know Thomas, but ... a minimum of education .... ;)
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
29 Jun 2012 10:57
| People said the same things because of "inactivity" right before Thomas finalised the MX motherboard. "The project is dead, you should resign", yada yada. And then everyone shut up when shown results and forgot about the total panic and despair from a few days before.
I am sorry if things do not happen at the pace you wish for, but Thomas will work at the pace he feels like, when he feels like it.
There are already open sourced Amiga FPGA cores like Minimig AGA, why aren't you helping them out already? :)
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 64
29 Jun 2012 13:31
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I'll like it. I mean a open sourced eagle scheme and verilog code (or vhdl) ;) thx for the suggestion
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3991
29 Jun 2012 17:54
| Err, IIRC Thomas uses OrCAD.
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Rob Roede
Netherlands
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Posts 23
10 Jul 2012 19:45
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Err, IIRC Thomas uses OrCAD.
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OrCAD? Not Altium?
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 64
22 Jul 2012 08:04
| I'm having a lot of fun in recent months with my Amiga 1200, but now I recognize the limits of the processor and system (frankly, the AGA is outdated and too tied to the hardware of the Amiga). Instead of insisting with emulators like uae (really good) you could do a hardware card to be inserted into a PCI slot and drive emulation to that card so you have a real M680x0 for the classic system? I tried Icaros desktop and it seems really nice and modern, well emulates the environment "old 68k" but emulation is not like real. After all, I use my 1200 mainly for the old games and learn a bit of assembler, the rest is of course passed. ;). The development of motorola 680x0 processor is now finished, it's time to move on (coldfire or ppc or arm), natami looks like a fantastic project but really who would develop applications for a softcore that will never reach the performance of the poorest and cheapest processors on the market at ridiculous prices (compared to custom system we are so greedy :))?
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Olaf Schoenweiss
Germany
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Posts 786
22 Jul 2012 10:27
| For Natami alone not (except it would be sold in big numbers) but perhaps when the same software runs also on Aros distributions, FPGA and Natami (I think of Aros 68k). The time of software hitting directly the hardware is long over (at least for commercial projects where you want to reach the maximum number of potential buyers). Exception are "hobby" projects and demos.
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Matt Hey
USA
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Posts 737
22 Jul 2012 13:54
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I'm having a lot of fun in recent months with my Amiga 1200, but now I recognize the limits of the processor and system (frankly, the AGA is outdated and too tied to the hardware of the Amiga). Instead of insisting with emulators like uae (really good) you could do a hardware card to be inserted into a PCI slot and drive emulation to that card so you have a real M680x0 for the classic system? |
AGA and the 68k CPU are slow so you want to put them on a PCI card? lorenzo lorenko wrote:
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The development of motorola 680x0 processor is now finished, it's time to move on (coldfire or ppc or arm), natami looks like a fantastic project but really who would develop applications for a softcore that will never reach the performance of the poorest and cheapest processors on the market at ridiculous prices (compared to custom system we are so greedy :))?
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An fpga 68k processor can reach the processing power of the fastest available v4 ColdFire processors. ColdFire v5 isn't really available unless you are HP (or similar) and most developers haven't ever seen the specs for one let alone seen an actual processor. A burned advanced 68k ASIC at 400-700 MHz would likely outperform any ColdFire processor. It would outperform ARM and PPC processors at similar speeds while having a smaller memory footprint. The $50k-$100k to burn an ASIC isn't that much. Not all Amiga users are poor and community fund raising has been successful on other hobby projects.
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Lorenzo Lorenko
Italy
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Posts 64
22 Jul 2012 15:40
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AGA and the 68k CPU are slow so you want to put them on a PCI card?
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PCI Express, AGP, where you want, for ACA1231 the Amiga trapdoor works fine, why not use the same idea?
Only for classic enviroment, I think it reached the maximum development in the early '00 and doesn't need further improvement.
I bet almost all use the classic Amiga for games of the glorious past and a few for multimedia applications ;) Matt Hey wrote:
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An fpga 68k processor can reach the processing power of the fastest available v4 ColdFire processors. ColdFire v5 isn't really available unless you are HP (or similar) and most developers haven't ever seen the specs for one let alone seen an actual processor. A burned advanced 68k ASIC at 400-700 MHz would likely outperform any ColdFire processor. It would outperform ARM and PPC processors at similar speeds while having a smaller memory footprint. The $50k-$100k to burn an ASIC isn't that much. Not all Amiga users are poor and community fund raising has been successful on other hobby projects.
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I hope so, but to be realistic ..... go over .... I'm a backer of OUYA, and in 5 days they have provided me more information than it did two years in Thomas (Are you sure he's still developing the project?) Maybe he fell in love and is considering getting married :-))))
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Ceti 331
United Kingdom
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Posts 282
22 Jul 2012 17:06
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A burned advanced 68k ASIC at 400-700 MHz would likely outperform any ColdFire processor. It would outperform ARM and PPC processors at similar speeds while having a smaller memory footprint. The $50k-$100k to burn an ASIC isn't that much. Not all Amiga users are poor and community fund raising has been successful on other hobby projects.
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a 700mhz 68k... yum..
are there 68k enthusiasts outside of the amiga community that could provide demand for that.
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