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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3976
16 Feb 2011 07:54
| it would make sense to setup the USB stack before looking for a disk since this would also enable USB keyboards and Mouses.
But this is something that AROS should thing off and not the Natami or it's team per default.(software problem software solution)
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Bartek "Banter" K.
Poland
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Posts 2277
16 Feb 2011 07:57
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I did do also some reading on "the other sites" now.
LOL, most negative comments are actually quite funny to read.
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I believe we should make it a joke collection for all Natami users to laugh:)) :D
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
16 Feb 2011 08:37
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I did do also some reading on "the other sites" now.
LOL, most negative comments are actually quite funny to read.
Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small.
I really wonder if this guy thinks Thomas is a total idiot.
Come one, Thomas and we all know since the beginning that we won't make any money with this project.
But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.t.
Thats all.
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Gunnar PLEASE STOP LYING!You want to make money from that project. And i really wish you to succeed.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
16 Feb 2011 08:39
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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it would make sense to setup the USB stack before looking for a disk since this would also enable USB keyboards and Mouses.
But this is something that AROS should thing off and not the Natami or it's team per default.(software problem software solution)
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Indeed let hardware producer be hardware producer and software writer be software writer.
People have spend millions of hours writing software support for hardware that was much less useful than Natami, so it will not be a problem.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
16 Feb 2011 08:46
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Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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Joe M the system boots from FlashROM, after this it doesn't matter what is where as long as you inform the system where to look. ;)
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Yes, this is really a good thing. My PC can boot from USB devices
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Don't forget how many years it took for PCs to make so simple thing like booting from any device. It still boots from CD different way than from disk or floppy with special different code.
THIS IS FUNNY! Since not that long ago CD booting on PC meant emulating diskette by bios. Most bootable CD still boots that way.AmigaOS boots the same way from anything or almost, as long as filesystem is supported at boot time or RDB points to it's handler. Since 1966 IBM machines boots from any device the same way - by entering channel and device number.
Since 1970 unix boots from any block device the same way, unless hardware needs different handling so only trick to load first sector differs. So stop talking about "PC ability" and help AROS team including USB drivers in kickstart replacement. Everything else is handled automatically. PS. AROS team too needs working Natami to write USB driver.
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
16 Feb 2011 08:48
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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I did do also some reading on "the other sites" now.
LOL, most negative comments are actually quite funny to read.
Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small.
I really wonder if this guy thinks Thomas is a total idiot.
Come one, Thomas and we all know since the beginning that we won't make any money with this project.
But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.t.
Thats all.
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Gunnar PLEASE STOP LYING!
You want to make money from that project. And i really wish you to succeed.
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1st) Call me lying again and I'll kick you out! 2nd) I think you do not understand me. If money would be our interest then none of us would work on the project! You have to mind that Thomas is a professional HW developer.
Thomas has no problem finding very well paid HW projects. If Thomas would only have worked halve of the time, that he did spend on NATAMI on payed projects he would have earned enough money to buy a brand new Ferrari and a new Flat. This is a fact. Thomas might be crazy but he is no idiot.
He is fully aware that he can never ever make this money with the NATAMI project. What is clear is that the NATAMI will not be sold below production costs. And production costs does include the money spend already on LX PCB runs and on tools and equipment needed for the development.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
16 Feb 2011 08:48
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I did do also some reading on "the other sites" now.
LOL, most negative comments are actually quite funny to read.
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Those comments are from people that already started to think "modern way" and own a PC with windows or PC with powerPC processor running amiga-alike OS on PC hardware.
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
16 Feb 2011 08:51
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Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small.
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Ha ha! Perhaps the market is small at the moment - but it may change - and it will happen. It HAS to start somewhere! Have they forgotten to take that into account? :)Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.
Thats all.
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This is what one might call a good and healthy attitude! Thomas will be remembered as the man who brought new life to the Amiga platform! This project is about to change history which in itself cannot be purchased for all the money in the world!Personally I think that the interest in such a project is so large that it is possible to make a profit. It's just about having the right connections and making the right decisions. NATAMI rules! :)
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Mr. Derp
USA
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Posts 41
16 Feb 2011 08:59
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Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small. But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.
Thats all.
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There will always be nay-sayers and doubters whenever there is a worthwhile endeavor such as this. But there are also a whole lot of folks supporting this project and cheering you on for the day it is completed. I for one am very impressed and proud to witness what I think is an historic achievement.
BTW - I hope you do make money on the project as you all have earned it. ;)
-Mr. Derp
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Matt Hey
USA
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Posts 729
16 Feb 2011 09:01
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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But making money is definitely not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.t.
Thats all.
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Gunnar PLEASE STOP LYING!
You want to make money from that project. And i really wish you to succeed.
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Gunnar didn't say he didn't want to make money. He only said it's not the goal. Thomas H., Gunnar and others would have never started this project if they were in it for the money as it currently looks like there is no money to be made. I agree that they would love to be proven wrong ;).
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Amiga Ppc
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Posts 246
16 Feb 2011 10:00
| Poor Wojtek. He ment to be funny but forgot to write smiley. :-)
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Staribulator One
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Posts 9
16 Feb 2011 10:36
| A new day begins and the dark clouds starting to fade ... after the funeral of Commodore a long time ago , something new appears and seems to be promising ...!!! Many congratulations to the whole team and no doubt, go for what you do, because you make a dream come true,for us something that is sacred... !!!
LONG LIVE THE NATAMI TEAM .. !!! :)))
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
16 Feb 2011 11:31
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Wojtek P wrote:
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Gunnar PLEASE STOP LYING!
You want to make money from that project. And i really wish you to succeed.
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1st) Call me lying again and I'll kick you out!
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So stop lying!!!
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If money would be our interest then none of us would work on the project!
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If money would be my only interest i would not be doing what i do now.
But i do earn money from my work, just less that doing some popular crap that gives 10 times more money.
But i have PLEASURE doing things that for me make sense.And seems that Thomas is more happy making something GOOD that getting new Ferrari. And that's great.
Everybody with enough money can buy Ferrari or Porsche.
Most people with any amount of money will not be able to make Natami.
Simple.
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
16 Feb 2011 11:34
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A new day begins and the dark clouds starting to fade ... after the funeral of Commodore a long time ago , something new appears and seems to be promising ...!!! Many congratulations to the whole team and no doubt, go for what you do, because you make a dream come true,for us something that is sacred... !!!
LONG LIVE THE NATAMI TEAM .. !!! :)))
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It isn't strange that amiga market is fading - with nobody making anything really new for it, even when commodore was alive.
That's why Natami will create new market.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1828
16 Feb 2011 11:46
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Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
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Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small. But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.
Thats all.
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There will always be nay-sayers and doubters whenever there is a worthwhile endeavor such as this. But there are also a whole lot of folks supporting this project and cheering you on for the day it is completed. I for one am very impressed and proud to witness what I think is an historic achievement.
BTW - I hope you do make money on the project as you all have earned it. ;)
-Mr. Derp
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Didn't Christopher Columbus fall off the planet and land on the Moon or something like that?
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Guillaume Michalakakos
France
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Posts 454
16 Feb 2011 14:08
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I guess I was stuck to the idea that Amiga hardware could not boot from anything else than a hard drive (or a CF card adapter) the old fashioned way.
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You can boot from usb using the deneb usb2 card. And I think most people are doing this because :
1) you can use a standart sata drive in a case connected to usb
2) This is far much faster than the old crappy IDE you have on the amiga motherboard ;-)
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Christian Kummerow
Germany
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Posts 314
16 Feb 2011 14:09
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What is clear is that the NATAMI will not be sold below production costs. And production costs does include the money spend already on LX PCB runs and on tools and equipment needed for the development.
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Its not really make money, but if you get out the tools/equipment costs it means you get one Board without have to pay for equipment. I think its developed too because Thomas want a Natami too for himself.
Some PPL in the world simply cant believe that somebody do something for Free.
I develop only Freeware. I do it because i use my own Software, but make it useable for me is 25% of the work. Making it work for all ppl with different Hardware, checking all possible errors that may happend on other Configurations, add options what i dont need but other ppl want, writing a documentation and upload it makes the most work.
Nobody pay me for it, not for the additional time, the additional Power that my Computer takes or the Paper/Color costs for printouts. But i do it anyway.Guillaume Michalakakos wrote:
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You can boot from usb using the deneb usb2 card. And I think most people are doing this because :
2) This is far much faster than the old crappy IDE you have on the amiga motherboard ;-)
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Depends. Its not faster if you use a Graphiccard too on Zorro and play a Video cause the limited Zorro Speed have to be shared.
If you want play Music with a Zorro Sound Card its interrupted by the DMA driver you have to use PIO.
5 MB/s IDE is too possible with A1200 and IDEFix Express, FastATA or A4000.
I use SCSI of course, USB i use for Sticks, Digicams, Camcorder, Handys and so on.
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Guillaume Michalakakos
France
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Posts 454
16 Feb 2011 14:18
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* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Because this is fun ?
Because we don't like PC or MAC who still become more complicated and less optimized than before ?
Because we want a nice and simple personal-computer designed for CREATION instead of computer's-services-consumption ?
There is a lot of "because"... "Qui ne tente rien n'a rien" who don't try got nothing
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
16 Feb 2011 15:31
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You can boot from usb using the deneb usb2 card. And I think most people are doing this because :
1) you can use a standart sata drive in a case connected to usb
2) This is far much faster than the old crappy IDE you have on the amiga motherboard ;-)
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Oh, I didn't know you could boot from it. Since my main Amiga is an A1200 in a standard case, I suppose it's not an option for me. :( Anyway, it seems to be a cool product for those lucky Zorro owners. :)
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John Tsakiris
Greece
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Posts 54
16 Feb 2011 15:44
| ...and because (hopefully) not everything that we do - in this life - is defined by "markets", "numbers" and "marketing policies".
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