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Jakob Eriksson
Sweden
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Posts 1097
15 Feb 2011 12:34
| It can not be booted from USB - yet. But this will surely change over time. Another thing to consider - Amiga style binaries are usually very small, so booting AROS or legacy OS from a USB stick should be very quick.
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Angel of Paradise
Germany
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Posts 61
15 Feb 2011 16:24
| Great news!
Thanks for the pictures!
Where in Germany are you guys actually could we visit you sometime to see the system live?Btw I've first read about the new MX pictures on another site.
Reading the comments was quite interesting:
* Some people are quite excited (like me) about the board!
* Some people don't believe that the board will be sold at all.
* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Thierry Atheist
Canada
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Posts 1828
15 Feb 2011 16:36
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André Jernung wrote:
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A third option for an external CF reader could be:Connect a CF card reader to USB. ;)
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No doubt that this would be the best solution. I suppose not all of us thought the system could be booted from a USB device. The NatAmi seems to be a very flexible piece of hardware. :)
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I see so many comments in the form of, "it's way too expensive, because ....."However, it will be the funnest computer you've ever owned!!!!!!!!!!!!! AOS + NatAmi.... F T W !!!!!
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Marcel Verdaasdonk
Netherlands
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Posts 3976
15 Feb 2011 16:59
| Joe M wrote:
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André Jernung wrote:
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A third option for an external CF reader could be:
Connect a CF card reader to USB.
;)
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No doubt that this would be the best solution. I suppose not all of us thought the system could be booted from a USB device. The NatAmi seems to be a very flexible piece of hardware. :)
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Joe M the system boots from FlashROM, after this it doesn't matter what is where as long as you inform the system where to look. ;)
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Team Chaos Leader
USA
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Posts 2094
15 Feb 2011 17:06
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* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Ask those guys why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying people market?
Why should someone produce MRI machines, CatScan machines, X-Ray machines, Electric Wheelchairs, Blood-washing machines, Defibrillators, Pacemakers and Blood tests for the dying people market?
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Wojtek P
Poland
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Posts 1597
15 Feb 2011 17:14
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Angel of Paradise wrote:
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* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Ask those guys why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying people market?
Why should someone produce MRI machines, CatScan machines, X-Ray machines, Electric Wheelchairs, Blood-washing machines, Defibrillators, Pacemakers and Blood tests for the dying people market?
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GREAT COMPARISION! It's too low volume market ;)and how many people did not die because of this "dying market" producers.
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
15 Feb 2011 17:35
| Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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Joe M the system boots from FlashROM, after this it doesn't matter what is where as long as you inform the system where to look. ;)
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Yes, this is really a good thing. My PC can boot from USB devices or whatever you set it to. I guess I was stuck to the idea that Amiga hardware could not boot from anything else than a hard drive (or a CF card adapter) the old fashioned way. To have memory sticks/SD cards/CF cards with various bootable Workbench configurations ready by hand is something I look forward to.I hope the USB boot implementation is top priority. :)
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
15 Feb 2011 19:13
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* Some people don't believe that the board will be sold at all.
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It 's really good to see that there is so much positive energy out there!
* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Let's turn it the other way around: The NatAmi is being made to PREVENT the Amiga market from dying. Is that so hard to understand? You non-believers should rather be happy that something is ACTUALLY happening after so many years. You should be greatful to Thomas and the rest of the Team who actually makes this dream come true. Respect their work, show some gratitude and try to support them instead of coming up with unnecessary criticism. There are people out there who still enjoy their Amigas, you know - and the NatAmi is the successor many of us have been waiting for. I suspect those who say these things not to be interested in Amiga at all. They're mostly interested in hardware specifications and the latest hardware that money can buy. If that's what life is all about, why not continue to be proud? Just go to the local supermarket and buy the latest 5.6GHz Intel PC with 569 cores and tell your friends about it. Sorry, I couldn't resist... :)
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Louis Dias
USA
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Posts 217
15 Feb 2011 19:28
| Joe M wrote:
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Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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Joe M the system boots from FlashROM, after this it doesn't matter what is where as long as you inform the system where to look. ;)
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Yes, this is really a good thing. My PC can boot from USB devices or whatever you set it to. I guess I was stuck to the idea that Amiga hardware could not boot from anything else than a hard drive (or a CF card adapter) the old fashioned way. To have memory sticks/SD cards/CF cards with various bootable Workbench configurations ready by hand is something I look forward to.
I hope the USB boot implementation is top priority. :)
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Now that there is an understanding of the Kickstart flashrom via the AROS bounty, it's easy to add other filesystems to it for expanding potential boot device options.
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SID Hervé
France
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Posts 663
15 Feb 2011 20:32
| Hello [quote=]
* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Have they produced something suceptible to be interesting?
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SID Hervé
France
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Posts 663
15 Feb 2011 20:32
| Hello
* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Have they produced something suceptible to be interesting?
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SID Hervé
France
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Posts 663
15 Feb 2011 20:33
| Hello
* And some guys did ask why someone could be so stupid to produce hardware for the dying amiga market.
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Have they produced something suceptible to be interesting or stupid?
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SID Hervé
France
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Posts 663
15 Feb 2011 20:34
| Like this stupid phone.
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Gunnar von Boehn
Germany
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Posts 5775
15 Feb 2011 22:09
| I did do also some reading on "the other sites" now.
LOL, most negative comments are actually quite funny to read.Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small.
I really wonder if this guy thinks Thomas is a total idiot.
Come one, Thomas and we all know since the beginning that we won't make any money with this project.
But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.
Thats all.
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Michael Ward
USA
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Posts 234
15 Feb 2011 22:41
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.... The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.
Thats all.
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And that is precisely why it is such a great project. To recreate this hardware must be quite challenging and especially with the many improvements. Commodore engineers employed many interesting tactics back in the day to achieve maximum performance at the least cost. It is commendable that Thomas and entire Natami team have taken on this project. Seeing a 2nd generation prototype is encouraging. I wish Thomas and team the best in the upcoming debugging phase. Keep up the excellent work. Michael
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Przemek Tkaczyk
Poland
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Posts 54
15 Feb 2011 23:12
| I am soooooooooo ready for Natami... needless to say I simply can't wait. Thank you N-Team for making the dreams come true! Props for the pics BTW, they made my day :-)
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Louis Dias
USA
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Posts 217
15 Feb 2011 23:53
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I did do also some reading on "the other sites" now.
LOL, most negative comments are actually quite funny to read.
Some of the nay-sayers say they fear that the NATAMI will not come out when Thomas finds that the shrinking AMIGA market is real small.
I really wonder if this guy thinks Thomas is a total idiot.
Come one, Thomas and we all know since the beginning that we won't make any money with this project.
But making money is definately not the goal of the NATAMI project.
The NATAMI is Thomas personal quest to revive the AMIGA.
Thats all.
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What are your expectations?
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Alan Haynes
Australia
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Posts 74
16 Feb 2011 06:27
| Joe M wrote:
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Marcel Verdaasdonk wrote:
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Joe M the system boots from FlashROM, after this it doesn't matter what is where as long as you inform the system where to look. ;)
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Yes, this is really a good thing. My PC can boot from USB devices or whatever you set it to. I guess I was stuck to the idea that Amiga hardware could not boot from anything else than a hard drive (or a CF card adapter) the old fashioned way. To have memory sticks/SD cards/CF cards with various bootable Workbench configurations ready by hand is something I look forward to.
I hope the USB boot implementation is top priority. :)
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Joe the Amiga could boot from other devices since "Workbench 2.0" which came out @ 1992. All that was needed to get to the boot menu was to hold down both mouse buttons and Ami would present you with a list of boot devices. You simply clicked on the device you wanted to boot from and it booted. Have you ever used an Amiga with "WB" version greater than 1.3?
Cheers from downunder
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
16 Feb 2011 07:22
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Now that there is an understanding of the Kickstart flashrom via the AROS bounty, it's easy to add other filesystems to it for expanding potential boot device options.
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Sounds good. :)
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Joe M
Norway
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Posts 500
16 Feb 2011 07:48
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Joe the Amiga could boot from other devices since "Workbench 2.0" which came out @ 1992. All that was needed to get to the boot menu was to hold down both mouse buttons and Ami would present you with a list of boot devices. You simply clicked on the device you wanted to boot from and it booted. Have you ever used an Amiga with "WB" version greater than 1.3?Cheers from downunder
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Hi Alan,Yes, of course I know this but thanks anyway. ;) I'm familiar with Amigas from Kick 1.2 to Kick 3.1 but I've never booted from anything else than floppy disks, CD-ROM drives, IDE and SCSI hard drives. What else could there be? Is it possible to boot from the A1200's PCMCIA port using a CF card in combination with an adapter like this one perhaps? EXTERNAL LINK I guess that's the only thing I have not tried (that I can think of). Maybe there was a misunderstanding somewhere but it has never been clear to me that the NatAmi would be able to boot from USB devices EVEN if we have the well known "early start-up control". Maybe I've missed something but I don't think the TEAM has informed about this earlier. You see, I just don't take things for granted. :)
Cheers from the cold north :)
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