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Team Chaos Leader USA
| | (Moderator) Posts 2094 16 Aug 2010 03:14
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
| AMOS Professional and things like Cando, Arexx, and SBase Pro database language are "quick and EASY" fixes that I'm after......
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What is wrong with Blitz Basic?I am not really a BlitzBasic user but I used it in the past, along with AMOS, Arexx, CanDO and maybe SuperBase PRO waaaaaay back in the before time. I agree with your statement, I just wonder why you left BlitzBasic off the list. I also like ACE Basic, Pure Basic, True Basic, F-Basic.
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Team Chaos Leader USA
| | (Moderator) Posts 2094 16 Aug 2010 03:17
| Richard Maudsley wrote:
| Alright seriously now is google some sort of stonemason style secret or something?
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Don't be so dramatic. Everyone knows its an Illuminati style secret :D
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Team Chaos Leader USA
| | (Moderator) Posts 2094 16 Aug 2010 03:28
| 2 of the many errors of the C language are the ++ and -- operators. Either the operators should: A: Not exist, since they are horribly buggy. B: Exist, but trigger a syntax error any time you use them. :D As for me I have always had a personal rule never to use ++ or -- in a complex statement so I never have the problem except when other ppl write code for me.
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 04:46
| Richard Maudsley wrote:
| Instead of contantly bitching about x, y, or z self caused problem, google yourself a clue! start> run > MSConfig
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THANK YOU!I see that there are 86 services running on start up. Wow.
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 04:55
| msmsgs under the "startup" tab is UNREMOVABLE!
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Cesare Di Mauro Italy
| | Posts 526 16 Aug 2010 07:37
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Cesare Di Mauro wrote:
| Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
| I think Wojek's point was NOT writing a tool in assembly. But to know the basics. If you started your "journey" with assembly then the chances to know and understand the basics of programming are high. |
Gunnar, your fault stays here. |
No he is not. No matter for what processor you code there are basically the same idea. memory fetch/write, operations, flags and conditional/unconditional jumps. No matter if you code for x86, 6502, 68000 or ARM it will teach you the same. How things are actually done! After that one will know that say concatenationg two character strings are not "one operation" but it takes time depending of length - for example.
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You should check something about computer science history, from the algorithms ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm#Etymology ) to the foundations of modern calculus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church–Turing_thesis ).And no, you don't need to memory fetch/write, flags, et all to compute any computable function: only THREE instructions / constructs are needed. For major information, get a (good) book on computability.
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Wojtek P Poland
| | Posts 1597 16 Aug 2010 11:33
| Team Chaos Leader wrote:
| 2 of the many errors of the C language are the ++ and -- operators. Either the operators should: A: Not exist, since they are horribly buggy. B: Exist, but trigger a syntax error any time you use them. :D
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Don't use C if you don't like that but stop spreading nonsense.
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Matt Hey USA
| | Posts 726 16 Aug 2010 12:54
| Wojtek P wrote:
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Team Chaos Leader wrote:
| 2 of the many errors of the C language are the ++ and -- operators. Either the operators should: A: Not exist, since they are horribly buggy. B: Exist, but trigger a syntax error any time you use them. :D |
Don't use C if you don't like that but stop spreading nonsense.
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You left out TCL's last quote... Team Chaos Leader wrote:
| As for me I have always had a personal rule never to use ++ or -- in a complex statement so I never have the problem except when other ppl write code for me.
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Complex statements in C usually involve functions with variables that are processed in an undefined order. I think a decision to not use ++ or -- in this case is an entirely safe and logical decision. I think it also shows some drawbacks of the C language.
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Vidar Hokstad United Kingdom
| | Posts 70 16 Aug 2010 13:21
| Wojtek P wrote:
| Vidar Hokstad wrote:
| The output of the code fragment Thomas posted is *undefined*. A C compiler is free to evaluate arguments to a function in any order it chooses. |
No it's not. It is for a long time defined in C standard. Maybe it was true in 1970's it have to evaluate from left to right. put address of string "%d %d\n" as first argument, increment a, put a as second argument, calculate a+5, and put it as third argument. this construct is completely portable and is right. |
EDIT: It's in C89, 3.3.22, and C99, 6.5.22. Stripped a few really long quotes since I see from a later post that Wojtek looked them up himself and acknowledged it so there's no point leaving them in here.Rest of my original comment: This is just the kind of bugs I frequently have to fix these days when bringing various old Amiga software up to date for modern compilers, along with lack of understanding of the guarantees C gives regarding type sizes, horrible endianness bugs (I build the software I clean up for both AROS and AmigaOS, and assumptions of endianness is the #1 problem) as well of confusing "&" and "&&" (which doesn't *always* matter, but can come back and bite you badly when it does), assignments and use without a sequence point in between, and more. EDIT: Just to point out, I think people ought to learn assembly, but it's very important to also realize that being a good assembly programmer does not make you a good programmer in a high level language or vice versa. But if you know both, you'll be better at both...
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 18:18
| Richard Maudsley wrote:
| Okay seriously, you create your own problems. Every problem you have with PCs is because 1) you have no idea what the hell you are doing, and 2) You refuse to learn. Instead of contantly bitching about x, y, or z self caused problem, google yourself a clue!
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Oh, win-doze is so great?Well, why is it that using Googls Chrome, there are videos off the internet, when they "play" all I see is a large green rectangle??? I can hear the audio, though. Same happens with Firefox Mozilla. And internet explorer downloads it and then plays it in some movie palyer (not windows media player) and I see a green rectangle.... Yeah, computers are NOT complicated. edit- Google play video green rectangle Came up with this: EXTERNAL LINK And it questions vista, the "new and improved" OSs capabilities. edit2 - Apparently this has been a problem since 2007!!! EXTERNAL LINK And, the video card makers who spend MILLIONS of dollars producing new video cards EPIC FAILED in testing their equipment, NOT NOTICING that videos DO NOT play on their new 3 times faster cards! Q. When is a video card NOT a video card? A. When it's "new and improved".
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 18:37
| It said "turn off video acceleration". Mine was already off, so I turned it on (AFTER it took, (no joke) 15 seconds for the program that changes ONLY video graphics settings to start (ATI ), and the video still doesn't play. Oh, the Catalyst Control Center) future is grand. :-(
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Wojtek P Poland
| | Posts 1597 16 Aug 2010 18:46
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
| Oh, win-doze is so great?
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Indeed, millions of people pay for it so it must be great. Millions of flies eat shit, can they be wrong?
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 18:47
| I've had the green rectangle problem for a long time, it's just that now there's an important video for me to see, and i can't watch it. According to here: EXTERNAL LINK It appears that using win-doze, is, well, FUTILE!Okay, I know that you aren't going to believe this, but I can't find that option I de-check marked to change it back.... and I need to as now Youtube videos will NOT play in full screen mode, or rather, the SOUND plays but the screen is completely black, no borders, nothing on the screen at all. Okay, found it, "Windows media video acceleration", checked it, now it works in full screen mode. Also found that, when not checked, the video plays back a bit choppy.
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Richard Maudsley United Kingdom
| | Posts 821 16 Aug 2010 20:16
| Here's some blunt honesty for you: You are completely incompetent. None of these issues happen on a well maintained windows install. Hell, I guarrantee that nothing short of throwing that HD in an external cradle, running a virus check on it using a different computer, copying personal files off and reinstalling windows with AVG will get your machine working properly. And even then you only diserve to use a limited account, because you've proven yourself to be a complete idiot and virus magnet to match. Untill you pull your head out of your arse and learn to use windows properly, this sort of thing is going to keep happening and happening. If we were in the same country I'd gladly fix your computer for free, just to see how much you fucked it up in the first place. Your C: drive would be the stuff of legend. TL;DR version: Reinstall windows. with a REAL copy, not one that you downloaded off some garbage p2p service (tpb supremacy, natch). Install AVG, or if you must pay for something then nod32. Use a real web browser, firefox with adblock and noscript. Remember to actually install your drivers, and flash player. Suddenly your computer won't suck anymore!
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 20:20
| On one of the links the opening post says "I own a current $3,000 computer with all the current drivers for the motherboard,video card, etc." edit, it was a GENUINE xp dvd that I used with a valid key, it just isn't MY DVD. edit2- Funny how after installing win-doze xp, you need to go on the internet and install NEARLY 1 GIGABYTE of SW for it to be "ready for business"!
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Richard Maudsley United Kingdom
| | Posts 821 16 Aug 2010 20:24
| That has nothing to do with your £30 oxfam P4 computer. Reinstall windows, your install is fucked. We've been through this. And what GB of software? AVG is a gig now? nope, 2mb.
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André Jernung Sweden
| | (MX-Board Owner) Posts 988 16 Aug 2010 20:29
| Thierry Atheist wrote:
| ...with all the current drivers for the motherboard,video card...
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And how much good do you think the video drivers will do when you personally have turned off the video acceleration?
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Thierry Atheist Canada
| | Posts 1828 16 Aug 2010 20:45
| André Jernung wrote:
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Thierry Atheist wrote:
| ...with all the current drivers for the motherboard,video card...
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And how much good do you think the video drivers will do when you personally have turned off the video acceleration?
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Because, it says "turn off video acceration tion view videos, because it's too fast for playback".... Nothing to do with me wanting to do this.Oh and "msconfig startup" has NO WAY to turn off "windows messenger" from starting at boot up. I always have to turn it off manually. I checked every single entry under every single option and "windows messenger" just isn't there. Oh, and I just found out when poking around in the Catalyst program, that my video card for the last 8 months since it was installed was running at 0x (zero) AGP acceleration even though I have an 8x AGP slot!!! :-((( I thought that it would just go full speed when you install it?
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Steve Thomas United Kingdom
| | Posts 177 16 Aug 2010 20:50
| Richard Maudsley wrote:
| Install AVG, or if you must pay for something then nod32.
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Are you saying that it is not worth paying for AVG? Windows is marketed as an easy to use and perfect OS, it costs a LOT of money so I expect plug and play functionality, it should just work, if I have to THINK and LEARN how to configure an operating system then I might as well try to install linux.
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Richard Maudsley United Kingdom
| | Posts 821 16 Aug 2010 21:19
| Start> all programs >startup delete the shortcut. I expected you to have tried this first.
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