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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 185
07 Oct 2010 14:41
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amiga ppc wrote:
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We do not speak about OS4 here,
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is this a joke or are u getting a case of the blured camps syndrome here?
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Maybe it's just because OS4 don't work on the NatAmi ? Maybe...
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Dave DyLucke
Espania
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Posts 64
07 Oct 2010 19:25
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Maybe it's just because OS4 don't work on the NatAmi ? Maybe...
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True... True...
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Fahed Al Daye
Canada
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Posts 282
08 Oct 2010 00:17
| Dave DyLucke wrote:
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Golgoth 27 wrote:
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Maybe it's just because OS4 don't work on the NatAmi ? Maybe...
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True... True...
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If (true==true)
{
return true;
}
else if (true==false)
{
return false;
}
else if (true==false || true==true)
{
return true;
}
else if (false==false)
{
return true;
}
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eheh, sorry :$
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Michael S.
Germany
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Posts 9
08 Oct 2010 10:18
| No news?? :(
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Lord Aga
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Posts 129
08 Oct 2010 11:31
| No news about the LX board, and I think it's not going to be any.
Next thing we will hear will be about the MX board.
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The Truth
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Posts 27
10 Oct 2010 16:20
| It is so simple to post a picture or additional text, but on the other hand this is as many time heard on this site a not for profit project right? So if this comes out this year or in 50 years time or never, there is no pressure from the team... sounds like a hobby... So, how long has it been going on for? 2 - 4 - 5 years now? I like also the guys on this site saying: I believe and I wait for ever..... don't wait any longer. I have been waiting faithfull, but I think I now put my money elsewhere... Amiga was about a new computer outperforming any other in graphics and music... this is not the case. It is not going to outperform any PC out there....
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 185
10 Oct 2010 17:26
| Yes, the truth is you need to put your money in a new PC and forget about retro computing.
People who understand what NatAmi is, know what to do.
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The Truth
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Posts 27
10 Oct 2010 17:33
| Well, people who do not know how to handle reality checks, gets aggressive in their replies... and we have a proof here.
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
10 Oct 2010 17:40
| So, now that you haven't heard any news in a while, you suddenly stop believing that Natami "will outperform any PC out there" - that must mean that you believed it actually would before? Come on. Amiga stopped being commercially competitive 15 years ago.
Yes, this is a hobby for everyone involved. We are making a hobbyist computer, for a hobbyist audience. I'm sorry if all the information available about the project was not clear enough in pointing this out.
The amount of years spent on the project is not relevant. The amount of spare time invested in the project by all contributors is what counts. This is not a company with employees working on a set schedule. We have jobs and obligations that do take priority.
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 185
10 Oct 2010 17:40
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Well, people who do not know how to handle reality checks, gets aggressive in their replies... and we have a proof here.
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No, no agressivity here, sorry if it sounded like that. That's the probleme of text. ;-) (better with a smiley)
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The Truth
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Posts 27
10 Oct 2010 17:49
| Perhaps the Natami team needs to look at the Blender.org website and learn how feedback is given to the community...
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André Jernung
Sweden
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Posts 988
10 Oct 2010 17:57
| I bet they are really good and eloquent at telling people that they are in fact making a 3D modeling suite when people show up and ask them why it does not find a cure for cancer or enforce world peace, too. Besides, the community for me are the people who actually contribute, either by working on the project or discussing and evaluating different approaches.
Complaining about things taking too long without helping out yourself is futile when targeting a hobbyist project.
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Golgoth 27
France
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Posts 185
10 Oct 2010 18:09
| It's true that they lack something about communicate their progresses. But it's better if they spend time on developping the board and the 68050 than answering all the questions of the community.
But sometimes i wish to have more feedback too.I think Blender.org have lot more people than the NatAmi team, they can have some for feedbacks and public relations.
If somebody have time and abilities to do that job in an efficient way, i'm sure it will help the team and it will feed our gargantuan appetite for informations.
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Matt Hey
USA
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Posts 735
10 Oct 2010 18:27
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Perhaps the Natami team needs to look at the Blender.org website and learn how feedback is given to the community...
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Communicating is time consuming and too much of it can take away from work. The trick is keeping it to a minimum but still being very informative. Thomas Hirsch's table of what is done is very efficient. I hope he will continue his updates. I agree with you that the sense of urgency is growing. The Natami is starting to lose some of it's early momentum. I would say that probably 50% of people don't think it will ever see the light of day as evident from this recent link at Amiga.org... EXTERNAL LINK
That doesn't keep me away though. I would sure like to see a Natami by Christmas, but a MiniMig AGA with 68020 support might have to suffice. I do believe that fpga Amigas will have a place in the Amiga market.
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Claudio Wieland
Germany
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Posts 706
10 Oct 2010 18:33
| OK, just so you get a feeling how excessive Thomas' workload is. He is a freelancer now, with long freelancer workdays. On top of that, he puts in 3-5 hours for Natami. Unpaid. Now do this for months on end, without breaks, and you begin to understand some things.
If you have ever done a somewhat more complex PCB with, say 6 to 8 layers with highspeed electronics, you know how incredibly careful you have to be during layout, and how long it can take to do it right. And what, if you maybe realize that something could be done better, or e.g. that some part you need might become obsolete in a few months?What Thomas is doing right now will actually save lots of money and lower the price for the future consumer boards. We can't go around and produce new PCBs all the time, just because the layout was suboptimal, or parts can't be delivered anymore. What's most expensive is the initial setup costs for all those PCB masks. Once you have them, the PCBs become much cheaper a piece. So, bear with us here.
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The Truth
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Posts 27
10 Oct 2010 18:40
| I think you need to read the external link Matt sent as you may be missing the whole point... many users are leaving this idea and believe it will never fly... perhaps something simpler and incrementally developed would have been better as approach instead of the perfect machine which doesn't exist... and keeps being delayed... it is becoming fantasy... this is not about Thomas' workload for which we have great respect for... I believe more to see an Ax1000 then Natami by xmas...
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Claudio Wieland
Germany
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Posts 706
10 Oct 2010 18:49
| Is something like xmas, by any means, a measure for terms like "fantasy" or "realism"? I tried to explain why the current delay came to be. You don't seem to care ^^ . I'm also discontent with the way the team gets informed. Thomas seems to be very secluded at the moment, and I believe he will come out with the final solution soon. And why the hurry? Nobody's life depends on whether Natami comes out before or after xmas.
Cheers
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The Truth
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Posts 27
10 Oct 2010 18:51
| you are right, perhaps we need to stop caring...
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Claudio Wieland
Germany
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Posts 706
10 Oct 2010 18:55
| Who is "we"? If you *personally* stop caring, that's your own choice and not to be discussed.
Cheers
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The Truth
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Posts 27
10 Oct 2010 18:58
| Always very nice answers from the Natami Team members... especially when we talk about progress... You just said "you" are also not happy about how progress is communicated... so it is more than one... Whatever... I got registered for the beta of the AX1000...
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